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Originally Posted by omegaman
If you're not part of TheFreakinBear why not hike over to the intro section & introduce yourself?:cool:
there are no mistakes in life ! just lessons to be learned
He put his intro on his profile page. Somebody who has more time to spend on the forum want to help him out?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
It's considered rude NOT to post an intro in the introductions section, not your home page. You can find it at the bottom of the page in the "Forums" list. Also you posted a question to "yourself" in your profile area, that could also be listed in your intro as hardly anyone is going to see it in the profile section. Finally, we had a serious problem with a crazy Troll calling himself "TheFreakinBear" who runs a site with the same name as your user name, so I'll be watching you very close & if I think you're here to simply cause trouble you'll be gone, understand?:cool: (PS, I've sent you the same message via PM so I expect you to read one of these & respond,ok?):cool:
I just "googled" and came up with this:Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeak
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-22Charger.htm
Very nice, may cause me to reconsider my "Coach Gun" decision:eek:
I called DNR at 1-888-936-7463 and it was closed, called a friend in Ashland County, Wisconsin today at 12:30 and he said no you cannot hunt with a .22
I have had one (Charger) for about 5 months. but I have never done anything with it, but I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pal334
Several people have asked about the rifle I said I am going to be using, well Blackwater is a private contracting company so I had actually a pretty large armory to pick from but the standard weapon is the M4, I choose the P416 because I like how it handled, here the specs on the P416 I'll be carrying.
Patriot Ordnance Factory P416 (Basically an M4 but better in my opinion)
Barrel: 11.5" Heavy contour, Fluted to reduce weight and heat, corrosion resistant and 10 times thicker and hardness than mil-spec chromed lining, it has a right-handed 1x7 twist (16" 1:8 twist), button rifled (Rock Creek Barrel Blank)
A2 Flash Hider
Chamber: 5.56 mm Nato (.223 Cal.)
Method of Operation: Gas Piston operated, rotating bolt (short stroke system) Reversible piston / gas trap design (two modes of fire, single shot and 3 rnd burst) C.R.O.S. (Corrosion Resistant Operating System):
(Chrome plated: Barrel, Gas Block/Tube, Gas Plug, Gas Piston, Bolt Carrier Assembly)
Bolt & Carrier: Chrome plated 8620 Integral Keyed Steel Bolt Carrier (billet machined), heat treated/plated per Mil Spec. Chrome plated steel bolt, heat treated, to Mil-spec.
Sights: Trijicon Red Dot
Weight: Empty – 6.5 Lbs
Along with this I'll have a Sig .40 on my hip with three 11 round mags, for a total of 34 pistol rounds.
Any questions ask and I'll let ya know what I can, but it shot great and did great in all weather conditions, heat, cold, rain and covered in dirt it had little to no problems. I put around 3000 rounds through it and had only two problems of jamming, applied a generous amount of lube and it shot without problems. Being a gun if you abuse it it will jam, take care of it and it keep you alive.
Beo,
I was aware of it, I'd just never really taken a serious look at it before. Heck, anyone who's seen James Bond is aware of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
I currently own a P3AT in .380 and a Sub2000 in .40 S&W, and I would give both firearms very high marks. The P3AT is the easiest gun I have ever carried concealed. It is so small and light, you can literally forget it is there. Shooting it takes some getting used to, but once you learn how to hold it properly, I found it to be reliable. The Sub2000 is a folding carbine that accepts popular pistol magazines (in my case, Glock 22 .40 S&W). I've been very pleased with it. It has never malfunctioned on me, and I actually shot better with it than I did with a scoped M4.Quote:
Originally Posted by chiggersngrits
I do not have any experience with keltec's SU series, though I have always heard good things about them, and I really like the design.
SARKY, am I understanding correctly that you are making a stock for your 10/22 that would allow it to fold somewhat like an SU? That sounds exactly like what I am looking for!Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
Regarding the Wisconsin law: It looks to me like it was rather sloppily written, I can see how it could be read either way. I think anyone charged with hunting with a .22 would have a very valid defense in court using that text.
Question for you all: Is there a reason why a lot of you seem to pick .22 LR over .22 WMR? Seems to me like .22 WMR would be a superior round in most respects. Nearly as small and light as .22 LR, but significantly more punch. What am I missing?
Also, I see that Ruger made a 10/22 Magnum up until 2006. Anybody know why it was discontinued? Would it be worth trying to get my hands on one of these?
Hey there SGTDRAINO the P-90 stock turns the rifle into a bull-pup design. The reciever is now where your right ear would be on a regular stocked rifle, so even though the over all length is 26 inches, I still have a full length barrel on it. As to the Ruger 10-22 Mag I have one of those as well. It is nice, dependable and reasonably priced however have you checked the price of .22mag ammo as opposed to .22LR ammo? Also the .22Mag was never very popular so that is why it was discontinued. If you do decide to get one invest in theVolquartsen trigger group and an extra barrel chambered in .17HMR.
sgtdraino,
If you haven't guessed by now I'm heavy into firearms and home gunsmithing. Your Sub2000 is a nice piece. Have you thought about getting a couple of 9mm barrels for it? You could keep one as 9mm and have the chamber reamed out to .357Sig on the other. This would give you the option of firing any of these 3 calibers in the one gun.
Yeah, good old Hollywood tried to make it look like a "Sniper Rifle" with a "1 shot-1 kill" concept on a grown man. It's best for "1 shot-1 kill" on small game, however, not "spray & pray" as it can be prone to jamming. The AR-7 does come with an extra magazine which stores in the stock. However, even though the receiver is grooved for a scope, the scope will have to travel on the outside. There's no room for it in the stock. Over all, I think I'd like to have an older AR-5 with the .22 Hornet round, but they're kinda scarce.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtdraino
Wait, you mean the FN P-90? The Stargate SG-1 gun? With the magazine on the top? Interesting. It's hard for me to envision a 10/22 going into that thing, I'd really love to see a picture of what you are doing!Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
I actually have one of those Muzzelite stocks that turns a 10/22 into a bullpup, but I was never totally happy with it. The sights sit up really high, away from the barrel, and I don't know if I like the trigger transfer mechanism, where you pull this other trigger, which pushes a thingy to depress the 10/22's real trigger. I felt sorta disconnected from the "feel" of the trigger, if that makes sense. I never felt like the design was capable of being very accurate.
Tempting. I see some on gunbroker.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
Well, sure, .22LR so cheap there's really no comparison. .22WMR is priced more like a "real" round. But is that really a consideration for "survival" applications? In the field, you're carrying as much as you can and you're not going to be running down to the store to buy more. So, you get the best that you can afford, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
Are there other reasons to shun .22WMR? So many folks on here seem to be on the .22LR bandwagon, I figured there must be other reasons besides cost. The collective seems to agree that the 10/22 is the best survival rifle. Why the LR version and not the Magnum?
Meh. The .17HMR round never excited me. I'd feel like I'd be shooting little needles at things.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
Would that actually work? I have at times wished I had gotten the 9mm version instead of the .40, because I have heard the 9mm has a more effective range. I never would have guessed that you could simply swap out barrels!Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
Now, at one point I looked into getting a Glock 19 barrel to put in my Glock 23, so I could shoot 9mm in it, but my research indicated that the action would probably not cycle dependably because it is built to work with .40, not 9mm. Extractor, firing pin, springs, slide weight, all designed to work with a different round. Is the Sub2000 designed in such a way that you really can swap barrels and get reliable feeding with 9mm?
An intriguing thought. However, on a similar note, I have heard that for a Glock you can safely put a .40 barrel in a .357, but that it is not safe to put a .357 barrel in a .40. The higher pressures of the .357 round could damage a G22 or G23, that the .357 Sig Glocks actually are built to higher tolerances, even though their dimensions are the same as the .40.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
Again, is this different for the Sub2000? Is a Sub in .40 S&W really strong enough to withstand the pressures of .357 Sig?
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Originally Posted by sgtdraino
.22WMR $10.95 box vs. .22LR at $1.75 per box. WMR's cost more than .223 ammo. If price is no problem I would go with a .256 Win. (.357 Magnum case necked down to 1/4 bore.
Ruger could not compete price wise in the market heads up to the Remington 597. And it was a small market to start with.
I have one rifle its an AR7 so by default its my favorite rifle. Ive never hunted with it as Ive never had the need to but I have killed many a soda can with it. It's very accurate, light weight and ammo is cheap. When and if the time comes I feel with the aid of my AR I could get accustomed to the taste of just about anything that moves if things get dire enough.
This is my first post and I look forward to many more. This forum offers a plethora of useful info. I hardly know where to begin. :D
Hello and welcome Stella. Nice pics in your album. When you get a chance head on over to the introduction section and tell us a bit about yourself. Thanks.
I have a Glock 23 .40 s/w. I had a .357 sig conversion for it that I put maybe 2000rds through. It handled it just fine. I sold the .357 sig setup because I ended up not liking it as much as the .40.Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtdraino
i prefer to use an ar-15 in .308 or a 7mm hunting rifle
Whatever "trips your trigger!":cool: Myself, I'd stay away from the big guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatWhiteHunter
A waste of money on both them & the ammo. .22 is enough for me.:cool:
The .308 will not fit into the AR-15 platform. You are perhaps thinking AR-10 Platform.........Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatWhiteHunter
....or a survival club.
Your so bad, Crash. He is young let him back 300 pounds of ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
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Originally Posted by GreatWhiteHunter
How many Hours were you thinking that you might be in a survival situation...? I figure years with no resupply.
If I need heavy artillery like that I will surrender before the heart gives out. That's a lot of firepower and gotta add a little red wagon to haul enough ammo for a day or two. Kinda rethink survival or combat, you are betwix and between.
Most when speaking of survival are actually just talking of a planned camping adventure. Most survival situations will be with those who are backwoods hunting or doing extreme sports.
Backwoods hunters, yeh, they will have hunting weapons. As far as rounds they carry, don't know about you but when I went into the woods with the 308, I carried about 30 to 40 rounds. When I venture into the woods with the smokepoles, I carry a total close to 40 lead balls with enough powder and caps, it really depends on which rifle. The 45 enables me to carry a boat load of balls, the 50 I will go with about 25 loose balls with 6 in one block, 5 in another block and one in the barrel. Now the 54, that's alot of lead.
I like the 22 pistolla, put two boxes of 50 rounds in the pack, load 6 and I'm off.
I'll bet that 308 is for taking squirrels at distance.......you know, about 4 miles.
I love the smell of Squirrel burger on the grill in the morning!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
Thinking! Is that possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeak
My favorite survival rifle is a choice between my Ruger 10/22 carbine w/ a folding stock & a few 25-50 rnd magazines, and my SS Ruger MkII 512 pistol (I know its not a rifle but it can do just about anything my carbine can do and can be concealed when/if necessary).
As many have stated, for survival (food/protection/stealth/practicality) a .22lr weapon is the most versatile & a large cache of .22 ammo can be carried easily. If I had to choose between the two (10/22 rifle or MkII pistol) I would most definately take the pistol. Beside that I always carry my usual CCW weapon.
Even though I have many other options available for both long guns & handguns, one of my MkII .22lr pistols is always in my bug-out-bag.
.50 cal works for me and 3500 rounds. O and 4 foot long SURVIVAL KNIFE!!!!!!
sgtdraino;
as far as the p-90 (Stargate)(you fanboy) (and I watch it too) stock goes, the 10-22 will still be a bottom feed right eject, it will just look and feel like a p-90. The trigger is the hardest part of this project, as I already have a volquartsen trigger group in the gun (it breaks like glass at 2.5 lbs) I just want to feel the manipulation of the trogger.
If you like the .22rfm round the 10-22 mag is built like a tank you will need to address the trigger pull. The first time I took mine out to shoot, I had to keep checking to make sure the safety was off, that is how heavy and gritty my trigger was.
The other reason most of like the .22lr is that you can find ammo any where and it is less destructive of small game meat. The native americans of Maine will drive a moose into a lake, chase him into deep water then come along side in a canoe or small boat and shoot him in the ear with a .22lr.
As for the sub-2000, yes it will work. If you pull out the hinge pin on your barrel, you want that exact same assembly only in 9mm. You may need to get a longer extractor claw for it to grab the case rim. and then it should still work with the .40
Your glock should work fine if you change out both the barrel/recoil spring and the slide.
I am almost certain that if you put a heavier recoil spring in with the .357Sig barrel it should work fine without beating up your gun.
as to the Sub-2000 cycling is all a balance of bolt weight and recoil spring weight.
I hope this helped
Sarky
Hopeak, I find it interesting that you picked out the .256 Win Mag. round. I like the round and have taken deer with it (Maine Whitetail) Mine is an old Universal Ferret (.30 Carbine barreled for the .256 WinMag) I wouldn't mind getting carbine chambered in 5.7 MJ/.22 Spitfire (a .30 carbine round necked down to .22 caliber. Both the 5.7 and the .256 are very efficient cartridges. The .22 spitfire round predates the P-90s 5.7 round by decades and the are almost identical in performance and demensions.
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Originally Posted by SARKY
I like the Idea of a cartridge more powerful than a .22 Magnum or .22 Hornet, but is still small, so you could have a pocketful if one wanted.
It depends on what kind of situation that one is trying to survive.
The firearm I would choose for surviving in the hills of Arkansas is vastly different from the firearm I would choose to fight my way out of an urban SHTF hell.
Assuming I will need to survive in the backwoods for a very long time, I would likely take my Stevens .22LR/.410 O/U. Yes, certainly I own more accurate rifles, however the simplicity of the break breach O/U greatly reduces the complexity of field repairs in a low tech environment. With the .410, I would have the option to throw a slug or buckshot downrange at larger game if necessary.
The .22LR is capable of taking down game up to and perhaps exceeding deer. I would probably opt to avoid game any larger than a mule deer. Additionally, the .22LR could be "silenced" if stealth was an absolute necessity.
Lets face it, I can haul a significantly greater number of rounds of .22LR compared to .300 Weatherby Magnum or 12ga.
If I were to wish, it would be ideal for the rifle to shoot .22S, .22L, .22LR or .22mag (possibly though the use of interchangable chambers) and the "under" would be 12ga with the ability to accept a rifled barrel insert chambered for either .410 or .45LC which could be stored in the stock. Also, I would like the barrel to be tapped so that I would have the option to scope it. The stock could be more utilitarian allowing for the stowing of ammunition as well as a very baseline survival kit and the .45LC/.410 barrel insert.
That being said, the M6 for some reason doesn't appeal to me.
.45LC is a bad choice . a .460 S&W can take .460 S&W (obviously) .454 casull And .45LC the footpounds difference with commercial ammo is substantial . my stats for the three are
.45 LC 523 FtLb $.90 per round
.454 Casull 2003 FtLb $1.15 per round
.460 SW 2860 FtLb $1.40 per round
alot more bang for your buck and there all nearly the same size (external dimentions) prices may have changed though i wrote the book 3 months ago.
also, the .45 is weaker then a .40SW and since your firing from a rifle why not choose a larger caliber?
Why are you shooting deer at NIGHT? WTF? I am not feeling real confident of your judgment. If I am missing something here please explain it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRJ
-Sam
The 460 SW is a bad choice. Ballistically, it is orders of magnitude weaker than my personal wildcat that is in development, a M61 Vulcan round necked down to .45. Then again, I have a friend that is necking a 25mm M242 down to .22, which will blow my wildcat out of the water. /jk :DQuote:
Originally Posted by marcraft
Basically, my ideal gun would be one that could be fed the most common ammunition that could be purchased or scavenged in a post disaster situation. So your recommendations of adding the .454 and 460 SW fit right in line with that goal.
After sleeping on this, I think I would also like to add the ability to chamber 5.56 NATO, so perhaps what I am looking for is a .223/12ga with inserts for .22LR and .22 mag, an approach that could be implemented with off the shelf products.
So, that would leave figuring out some way of creating a barrel insert or interchangeable barrel to swap out the 12ga with a barrel capable of firing .410, 45LC, 454, and 460SW. Since this is a wish and the goal is to be able to fire as many types of 45 cal ammunition as feasible, why not add the capability to chamber .45 ACP (a ubiquitous round) and the .45-70 Government?
One could choose a barrel insert or interchangeable barrel so that one could also swap out the 12ga for the 30cal family of products (30/06, .308) if that was their cup of tea.
thatd be one **** of a .45 ACP barrell to fire 45/70 Gov. i fired a marlin in that caliber at my uncles ranch and it knocked me over. but many of these rounds have outer dimensions on the brass that dont fit with eachother. my personal opinion on survival rifles is the 10/22 due to the ammo (.22LR hyper velocity is actually more powerful then .25ACP or .32ACP) iv been thinking of just saying **** it to the gun laws and making a rail gun (electromagnetic field to propel a hardened steel ball bearing fast enough to go through a 2 by 4) but palladium is just too damn expensive (its actually traded as a precious metal and along with gold silver and platinum its the only metal canada makes a bullion of) for the amount id need to get a ball bearing going 3000 fps. thinking of using a rifled pvc pipe for the barrel and a taser for the electronic parts but its just a pipe dream. best thing about a rail gun is there is absolutely no noise apart from the humming.
and a wildcat means the only ammunition you are ever going to have is what you start with. and i cant even imagine what the powder charge on a vulcan would do to a .22 round.
and you could always Make a 4 barrell hinge action. not that hard actually i made the plans for something along thoes lines but with more of an M4 look to it (2 pistol grips and a telescoping spring loaded recoil reducing stock) and a 4 pronged plate on the end of a spring loaded bolt made to fire 4 10 gauge sabots at the same time, now That would be some fun recoil ehh?