your favorite survival rifle?

[Sourdough]

new to the sight , but there being leagle issues as to caliber ,i think of it this way atlatles are not leagle for hunting deer in most states ,but our ansesters fed us deer from those same primitive wepons. as for the ruger ,a well placed shot to the heart ,lungs, or head and you have your deer .

Skipped to the end, and did not read the middle.

[Sarge47]

If you're not part of TheFreakinBear why not hike over to the intro section & introduce yourself?

[omegaman]

there are no mistakes in life ! just lessons to be learned

[AKS]

If you're not part of TheFreakinBear why not hike over to the intro section & introduce yourself?

He put his intro on his profile page. Somebody who has more time to spend on the forum want to help him out?

[Sarge47]

It's considered rude NOT to post an intro in the introductions section, not your home page. You can find it at the bottom of the page in the "Forums" list. Also you posted a question to "yourself" in your profile area, that could also be listed in your intro as hardly anyone is going to see it in the profile section. Finally, we had a serious problem with a crazy Troll calling himself "TheFreakinBear" who runs a site with the same name as your user name, so I'll be watching you very close & if I think you're here to simply cause trouble you'll be gone, understand? (PS, I've sent you the same message via PM so I expect you to read one of these & respond,ok?)

[Pal334]

You might also look at the 10/22 Charger. A 10/22 with a 10" barrel and comes with a scope base and Harris Tripod. Cute set-up for a back pack/day pack.

I just "googled" and came up with this:
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-22Charger.htm

Very nice, may cause me to reconsider my "Coach Gun" decision

[Beo]

I called DNR at 1-888-936-7463 and it was closed, called a friend in Ashland County, Wisconsin today at 12:30 and he said no you cannot hunt with a .22

[Sourdough]

I just "googled" and came up with this:
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-22Charger.htm

Very nice, may cause me to reconsider my "Coach Gun" decision

I have had one (Charger) for about 5 months. but I have never done anything with it, but I will.

[Beo]

Several people have asked about the rifle I said I am going to be using, well Blackwater is a private contracting company so I had actually a pretty large armory to pick from but the standard weapon is the M4, I choose the P416 because I like how it handled, here the specs on the P416 I'll be carrying.
Patriot Ordnance Factory P416 (Basically an M4 but better in my opinion)
Barrel: 11.5" Heavy contour, Fluted to reduce weight and heat, corrosion resistant and 10 times thicker and hardness than mil-spec chromed lining, it has a right-handed 1x7 twist (16" 1:8 twist), button rifled (Rock Creek Barrel Blank)
A2 Flash Hider
Chamber: 5.56 mm Nato (.223 Cal.)
Method of Operation: Gas Piston operated, rotating bolt (short stroke system) Reversible piston / gas trap design (two modes of fire, single shot and 3 rnd burst) C.R.O.S. (Corrosion Resistant Operating System):
(Chrome plated: Barrel, Gas Block/Tube, Gas Plug, Gas Piston, Bolt Carrier Assembly)
Bolt & Carrier: Chrome plated 8620 Integral Keyed Steel Bolt Carrier (billet machined), heat treated/plated per Mil Spec. Chrome plated steel bolt, heat treated, to Mil-spec.
Sights: Trijicon Red Dot
Weight: Empty – 6.5 Lbs
Along with this I'll have a Sig .40 on my hip with three 11 round mags, for a total of 34 pistol rounds.
Any questions ask and I'll let ya know what I can, but it shot great and did great in all weather conditions, heat, cold, rain and covered in dirt it had little to no problems. I put around 3000 rounds through it and had only two problems of jamming, applied a generous amount of lube and it shot without problems. Being a gun if you abuse it it will jam, take care of it and it keep you alive.
Beo,

[sgtdraino]

I find it interesting that Sgt. Draino hadn't been aware of the AR-7 since it started out back in the 50's as the AR-5;

I was aware of it, I'd just never really taken a serious look at it before. Heck, anyone who's seen James Bond is aware of it.

does anyone have any personal experience with keltec firearms? i have read some o.k. reveiws on them but don't know anybody who owns one.

I currently own a P3AT in .380 and a Sub2000 in .40 S&W, and I would give both firearms very high marks. The P3AT is the easiest gun I have ever carried concealed. It is so small and light, you can literally forget it is there. Shooting it takes some getting used to, but once you learn how to hold it properly, I found it to be reliable. The Sub2000 is a folding carbine that accepts popular pistol magazines (in my case, Glock 22 .40 S&W). I've been very pleased with it. It has never malfunctioned on me, and I actually shot better with it than I did with a scoped M4.

I do not have any experience with keltec's SU series, though I have always heard good things about them, and I really like the design.

I am presently working on making a P-90 stock to drop one of these barreled recievers into which will greatly reduce the over-all length of the rifle.

SARKY, am I understanding correctly that you are making a stock for your 10/22 that would allow it to fold somewhat like an SU? That sounds exactly like what I am looking for!

Regarding the Wisconsin law: It looks to me like it was rather sloppily written, I can see how it could be read either way. I think anyone charged with hunting with a .22 would have a very valid defense in court using that text.

Question for you all: Is there a reason why a lot of you seem to pick .22 LR over .22 WMR? Seems to me like .22 WMR would be a superior round in most respects. Nearly as small and light as .22 LR, but significantly more punch. What am I missing?

Also, I see that Ruger made a 10/22 Magnum up until 2006. Anybody know why it was discontinued? Would it be worth trying to get my hands on one of these?

[SARKY]

Hey there SGTDRAINO the P-90 stock turns the rifle into a bull-pup design. The reciever is now where your right ear would be on a regular stocked rifle, so even though the over all length is 26 inches, I still have a full length barrel on it. As to the Ruger 10-22 Mag I have one of those as well. It is nice, dependable and reasonably priced however have you checked the price of .22mag ammo as opposed to .22LR ammo? Also the .22Mag was never very popular so that is why it was discontinued. If you do decide to get one invest in theVolquartsen trigger group and an extra barrel chambered in .17HMR.

[SARKY]

sgtdraino,
If you haven't guessed by now I'm heavy into firearms and home gunsmithing. Your Sub2000 is a nice piece. Have you thought about getting a couple of 9mm barrels for it? You could keep one as 9mm and have the chamber reamed out to .357Sig on the other. This would give you the option of firing any of these 3 calibers in the one gun.

[Sarge47]

I was aware of it, I'd just never really taken a serious look at it before. Heck, anyone who's seen James Bond is aware of it.

Yeah, good old Hollywood tried to make it look like a "Sniper Rifle" with a "1 shot-1 kill" concept on a grown man. It's best for "1 shot-1 kill" on small game, however, not "spray & pray" as it can be prone to jamming. The AR-7 does come with an extra magazine which stores in the stock. However, even though the receiver is grooved for a scope, the scope will have to travel on the outside. There's no room for it in the stock. Over all, I think I'd like to have an older AR-5 with the .22 Hornet round, but they're kinda scarce.

[sgtdraino]

Hey there SGTDRAINO the P-90 stock turns the rifle into a bull-pup design.

Wait, you mean the FN P-90? The Stargate SG-1 gun? With the magazine on the top? Interesting. It's hard for me to envision a 10/22 going into that thing, I'd really love to see a picture of what you are doing!

I actually have one of those Muzzelite stocks that turns a 10/22 into a bullpup, but I was never totally happy with it. The sights sit up really high, away from the barrel, and I don't know if I like the trigger transfer mechanism, where you pull this other trigger, which pushes a thingy to depress the 10/22's real trigger. I felt sorta disconnected from the "feel" of the trigger, if that makes sense. I never felt like the design was capable of being very accurate.

As to the Ruger 10-22 Mag I have one of those as well. It is nice, dependable and reasonably priced

Tempting. I see some on gunbroker.

however have you checked the price of .22mag ammo as opposed to .22LR ammo?

Well, sure, .22LR so cheap there's really no comparison. .22WMR is priced more like a "real" round. But is that really a consideration for "survival" applications? In the field, you're carrying as much as you can and you're not going to be running down to the store to buy more. So, you get the best that you can afford, right?

Are there other reasons to shun .22WMR? So many folks on here seem to be on the .22LR bandwagon, I figured there must be other reasons besides cost. The collective seems to agree that the 10/22 is the best survival rifle. Why the LR version and not the Magnum?

If you do decide to get one invest in theVolquartsen trigger group and an extra barrel chambered in .17HMR.

Meh. The .17HMR round never excited me. I'd feel like I'd be shooting little needles at things.

[sgtdraino]

sgtdraino,
If you haven't guessed by now I'm heavy into firearms and home gunsmithing. Your Sub2000 is a nice piece. Have you thought about getting a couple of 9mm barrels for it?

Would that actually work? I have at times wished I had gotten the 9mm version instead of the .40, because I have heard the 9mm has a more effective range. I never would have guessed that you could simply swap out barrels!

Now, at one point I looked into getting a Glock 19 barrel to put in my Glock 23, so I could shoot 9mm in it, but my research indicated that the action would probably not cycle dependably because it is built to work with .40, not 9mm. Extractor, firing pin, springs, slide weight, all designed to work with a different round. Is the Sub2000 designed in such a way that you really can swap barrels and get reliable feeding with 9mm?

You could keep one as 9mm and have the chamber reamed out to .357Sig on the other. This would give you the option of firing any of these 3 calibers in the one gun.

An intriguing thought. However, on a similar note, I have heard that for a Glock you can safely put a .40 barrel in a .357, but that it is not safe to put a .357 barrel in a .40. The higher pressures of the .357 round could damage a G22 or G23, that the .357 Sig Glocks actually are built to higher tolerances, even though their dimensions are the same as the .40.

Again, is this different for the Sub2000? Is a Sub in .40 S&W really strong enough to withstand the pressures of .357 Sig?

[Sourdough]

Question for you all: Is there a reason why a lot of you seem to pick .22 LR over .22 WMR? Seems to me like .22 WMR would be a superior round in most respects. Nearly as small and light as .22 LR, but significantly more punch. What am I missing?

Also, I see that Ruger made a 10/22 Magnum up until 2006. Anybody know why it was discontinued? Would it be worth trying to get my hands on one of these?

.22WMR $10.95 box vs. .22LR at $1.75 per box. WMR's cost more than .223 ammo. If price is no problem I would go with a .256 Win. (.357 Magnum case necked down to 1/4 bore.

Ruger could not compete price wise in the market heads up to the Remington 597. And it was a small market to start with.

[stellacotton]

I have one rifle its an AR7 so by default its my favorite rifle. Ive never hunted with it as Ive never had the need to but I have killed many a soda can with it. It's very accurate, light weight and ammo is cheap. When and if the time comes I feel with the aid of my AR I could get accustomed to the taste of just about anything that moves if things get dire enough.

This is my first post and I look forward to many more. This forum offers a plethora of useful info. I hardly know where to begin.

[crashdive123]

Hello and welcome Stella. Nice pics in your album. When you get a chance head on over to the introduction section and tell us a bit about yourself. Thanks.

[klkak]

An intriguing thought. However, on a similar note, I have heard that for a Glock you can safely put a .40 barrel in a .357, but that it is not safe to put a .357 barrel in a .40. The higher pressures of the .357 round could damage a G22 or G23, that the .357 Sig Glocks actually are built to higher tolerances, even though their dimensions are the same as the .40.

Again, is this different for the Sub2000? Is a Sub in .40 S&W really strong enough to withstand the pressures of .357 Sig?

I have a Glock 23 .40 s/w. I had a .357 sig conversion for it that I put maybe 2000rds through. It handled it just fine. I sold the .357 sig setup because I ended up not liking it as much as the .40.

[GreatWhiteHunter]

i prefer to use an ar-15 in .308 or a 7mm hunting rifle