your favorite survival rifle?

[Sarge47]

i prefer to use an ar-15 in .308 or a 7mm hunting rifle

Whatever "trips your trigger!" Myself, I'd stay away from the big guns.
A waste of money on both them & the ammo. .22 is enough for me.

[Sourdough]

i prefer to use an ar-15 in .308 or a 7mm hunting rifle

The .308 will not fit into the AR-15 platform. You are perhaps thinking AR-10 Platform.........

[crashdive123]

....or a survival club.

[Sourdough]

....or a survival club.

Your so bad, Crash. He is young let him back 300 pounds of ammo.

[Sourdough]

i prefer to use an ar-15 in .308 or a 7mm hunting rifle

How many Hours were you thinking that you might be in a survival situation...? I figure years with no resupply.

[Ole WV Coot]

If I need heavy artillery like that I will surrender before the heart gives out. That's a lot of firepower and gotta add a little red wagon to haul enough ammo for a day or two. Kinda rethink survival or combat, you are betwix and between.

[FVR]

Most when speaking of survival are actually just talking of a planned camping adventure. Most survival situations will be with those who are backwoods hunting or doing extreme sports.

Backwoods hunters, yeh, they will have hunting weapons. As far as rounds they carry, don't know about you but when I went into the woods with the 308, I carried about 30 to 40 rounds. When I venture into the woods with the smokepoles, I carry a total close to 40 lead balls with enough powder and caps, it really depends on which rifle. The 45 enables me to carry a boat load of balls, the 50 I will go with about 25 loose balls with 6 in one block, 5 in another block and one in the barrel. Now the 54, that's alot of lead.

I like the 22 pistolla, put two boxes of 50 rounds in the pack, load 6 and I'm off.

[crashdive123]

I'll bet that 308 is for taking squirrels at distance.......you know, about 4 miles.

[Sarge47]

I'll bet that 308 is for taking squirrels at distance.......you know, about 4 miles.

I love the smell of Squirrel burger on the grill in the morning!

[klkak]

The .308 will not fit into the AR-15 platform. You are perhaps thinking AR-10 Platform.........

Thinking! Is that possible?

[Kankujoe]

My favorite survival rifle is a choice between my Ruger 10/22 carbine w/ a folding stock & a few 25-50 rnd magazines, and my SS Ruger MkII 512 pistol (I know its not a rifle but it can do just about anything my carbine can do and can be concealed when/if necessary).

As many have stated, for survival (food/protection/stealth/practicality) a .22lr weapon is the most versatile & a large cache of .22 ammo can be carried easily. If I had to choose between the two (10/22 rifle or MkII pistol) I would most definately take the pistol. Beside that I always carry my usual CCW weapon.

Even though I have many other options available for both long guns & handguns, one of my MkII .22lr pistols is always in my bug-out-bag.

[Fletcher]

.50 cal works for me and 3500 rounds. O and 4 foot long SURVIVAL KNIFE!!!!!!

[SARKY]

sgtdraino;
as far as the p-90 (Stargate)(you fanboy) (and I watch it too) stock goes, the 10-22 will still be a bottom feed right eject, it will just look and feel like a p-90. The trigger is the hardest part of this project, as I already have a volquartsen trigger group in the gun (it breaks like glass at 2.5 lbs) I just want to feel the manipulation of the trogger.
If you like the .22rfm round the 10-22 mag is built like a tank you will need to address the trigger pull. The first time I took mine out to shoot, I had to keep checking to make sure the safety was off, that is how heavy and gritty my trigger was.
The other reason most of like the .22lr is that you can find ammo any where and it is less destructive of small game meat. The native americans of Maine will drive a moose into a lake, chase him into deep water then come along side in a canoe or small boat and shoot him in the ear with a .22lr.
As for the sub-2000, yes it will work. If you pull out the hinge pin on your barrel, you want that exact same assembly only in 9mm. You may need to get a longer extractor claw for it to grab the case rim. and then it should still work with the .40
Your glock should work fine if you change out both the barrel/recoil spring and the slide.
I am almost certain that if you put a heavier recoil spring in with the .357Sig barrel it should work fine without beating up your gun.
as to the Sub-2000 cycling is all a balance of bolt weight and recoil spring weight.
I hope this helped
Sarky

[SARKY]

Hopeak, I find it interesting that you picked out the .256 Win Mag. round. I like the round and have taken deer with it (Maine Whitetail) Mine is an old Universal Ferret (.30 Carbine barreled for the .256 WinMag) I wouldn't mind getting carbine chambered in 5.7 MJ/.22 Spitfire (a .30 carbine round necked down to .22 caliber. Both the 5.7 and the .256 are very efficient cartridges. The .22 spitfire round predates the P-90s 5.7 round by decades and the are almost identical in performance and demensions.

[Sourdough]

Hopeak, I find it interesting that you picked out the .256 Win Mag. round. I like the round and have taken deer with it (Maine Whitetail) Mine is an old Universal Ferret (.30 Carbine barreled for the .256 Win Mag) .

I like the Idea of a cartridge more powerful than a .22 Magnum or .22 Hornet, but is still small, so you could have a pocketful if one wanted.

[Vextor]

It depends on what kind of situation that one is trying to survive.

The firearm I would choose for surviving in the hills of Arkansas is vastly different from the firearm I would choose to fight my way out of an urban SHTF hell.

Assuming I will need to survive in the backwoods for a very long time, I would likely take my Stevens .22LR/.410 O/U. Yes, certainly I own more accurate rifles, however the simplicity of the break breach O/U greatly reduces the complexity of field repairs in a low tech environment. With the .410, I would have the option to throw a slug or buckshot downrange at larger game if necessary.

The .22LR is capable of taking down game up to and perhaps exceeding deer. I would probably opt to avoid game any larger than a mule deer. Additionally, the .22LR could be "silenced" if stealth was an absolute necessity.

Lets face it, I can haul a significantly greater number of rounds of .22LR compared to .300 Weatherby Magnum or 12ga.

If I were to wish, it would be ideal for the rifle to shoot .22S, .22L, .22LR or .22mag (possibly though the use of interchangable chambers) and the "under" would be 12ga with the ability to accept a rifled barrel insert chambered for either .410 or .45LC which could be stored in the stock. Also, I would like the barrel to be tapped so that I would have the option to scope it. The stock could be more utilitarian allowing for the stowing of ammunition as well as a very baseline survival kit and the .45LC/.410 barrel insert.

That being said, the M6 for some reason doesn't appeal to me.

[marberry]

.45LC is a bad choice . a .460 S&W can take .460 S&W (obviously) .454 casull And .45LC the footpounds difference with commercial ammo is substantial . my stats for the three are



.45 LC 523 FtLb $.90 per round
.454 Casull 2003 FtLb $1.15 per round
.460 SW 2860 FtLb $1.40 per round

alot more bang for your buck and there all nearly the same size (external dimentions) prices may have changed though i wrote the book 3 months ago.

also, the .45 is weaker then a .40SW and since your firing from a rifle why not choose a larger caliber?

[Sam]

Whats wrong with shooting your dinner multiple times in the neck? Dead is dead. I never had luck sinking a round through the eye at night, I figured I just suck at gaging how far away those blue/green pearls were from me.

As far as using a bigger round.. Ive been told you can "bark" squirrels. Place a round an inch or so away and let the shrapnel kill the animal without damaging the meat with the actual bullet.

Why are you shooting deer at NIGHT? WTF? I am not feeling real confident of your judgment. If I am missing something here please explain it to me.
-Sam

[Vextor]

.45LC is a bad choice . a .460 S&W can take .460 S&W (obviously) .454 casull And .45LC the footpounds difference with commercial ammo is substantial . my stats for the three are



.45 LC 523 FtLb $.90 per round
.454 Casull 2003 FtLb $1.15 per round
.460 SW 2860 FtLb $1.40 per round

alot more bang for your buck and there all nearly the same size (external dimentions) prices may have changed though i wrote the book 3 months ago.

also, the .45 is weaker then a .40SW and since your firing from a rifle why not choose a larger caliber?

The 460 SW is a bad choice. Ballistically, it is orders of magnitude weaker than my personal wildcat that is in development, a M61 Vulcan round necked down to .45. Then again, I have a friend that is necking a 25mm M242 down to .22, which will blow my wildcat out of the water. /jk

Basically, my ideal gun would be one that could be fed the most common ammunition that could be purchased or scavenged in a post disaster situation. So your recommendations of adding the .454 and 460 SW fit right in line with that goal.

After sleeping on this, I think I would also like to add the ability to chamber 5.56 NATO, so perhaps what I am looking for is a .223/12ga with inserts for .22LR and .22 mag, an approach that could be implemented with off the shelf products.

So, that would leave figuring out some way of creating a barrel insert or interchangeable barrel to swap out the 12ga with a barrel capable of firing .410, 45LC, 454, and 460SW. Since this is a wish and the goal is to be able to fire as many types of 45 cal ammunition as feasible, why not add the capability to chamber .45 ACP (a ubiquitous round) and the .45-70 Government?

One could choose a barrel insert or interchangeable barrel so that one could also swap out the 12ga for the 30cal family of products (30/06, .308) if that was their cup of tea.

[marberry]

thatd be one **** of a .45 ACP barrell to fire 45/70 Gov. i fired a marlin in that caliber at my uncles ranch and it knocked me over. but many of these rounds have outer dimensions on the brass that dont fit with eachother. my personal opinion on survival rifles is the 10/22 due to the ammo (.22LR hyper velocity is actually more powerful then .25ACP or .32ACP) iv been thinking of just saying **** it to the gun laws and making a rail gun (electromagnetic field to propel a hardened steel ball bearing fast enough to go through a 2 by 4) but palladium is just too damn expensive (its actually traded as a precious metal and along with gold silver and platinum its the only metal canada makes a bullion of) for the amount id need to get a ball bearing going 3000 fps. thinking of using a rifled pvc pipe for the barrel and a taser for the electronic parts but its just a pipe dream. best thing about a rail gun is there is absolutely no noise apart from the humming.

and a wildcat means the only ammunition you are ever going to have is what you start with. and i cant even imagine what the powder charge on a vulcan would do to a .22 round.

and you could always Make a 4 barrell hinge action. not that hard actually i made the plans for something along thoes lines but with more of an M4 look to it (2 pistol grips and a telescoping spring loaded recoil reducing stock) and a 4 pronged plate on the end of a spring loaded bolt made to fire 4 10 gauge sabots at the same time, now That would be some fun recoil ehh?