Group Survival 101.

[lumpy]

My job was to go behind enemy lines to set up communication relay towers...and hold this position with 8 man.

To quote Will Smith's role in,Men in Black,"Now that's what I'm talking about."
vw has just addressed my two concerns in this one sentence.

1."My job was..."
The mission for this group has yet to be defined.The mission is what drives the military mind.If I'm going to risk my life, then I need to believe in the mission.Believe to the point that the mission is more important than my life, or yours.

2."and hold this position with 8 men."
Notice vw didn't say hold this position by himself.For this group to have any effectiveness in combat its going to have to train as a team.Train to the point that everyone starts thinking as one.

[ryaninmichigan]

Where to start ?

First off...nobody gets to walk in "my camp" uninvited, unnoticed, and armed. Especially in this situation...
Second of all, if you are invited in my camp, you don't get to see my team, or more precisely, you will see what i want you to see.
You are fairly young and i am assuming in good shape (carpenter), you seem at ease with this environment and you have a talky which means there are more of you out there.
I would hide FVR and Wareagle for sure, (but keep Trax to my left) and tell them before your entrance to observe from far away but within scope range...the scope being pointed at you. That leaves me at least 4 guys and 2 girls with me in my book, and 2 you do not know about.

The "others" that were after you are not my concern at this time...you are. And if they were looting a gas station for smokes and chips, i doubt they will venture in the woods...those guys sound like they are lazy predators.

As for the leader position, it is for all of you to decide this. Keep in mind that this is a forum, and while i enjoy writing for lack of being able to do anything else here...i am not thinking about **** all day long. I am first and foremost a marine...
My job was to go behind enemy lines to set up communication relay towers...and hold this position with 8 man. I was a sergeant and the leadership role does not faze me...

Another little info here...i do not shoot to kill...i always shoot to injure, and if possible, a fatal injury within 2 hours...not only this tactic is powerful on the psyche of your enemies for they see fear, death and pain in the eyes of their friends, but if i wound your friend, you will be helping him instead of shooting at me and my friends. Wound one, incapacitate 2 or 3.

I have not given all info needed. I have a background also. One I wish not to divulge (sp?) at this time.. And if I am in this scenario I wanted to “observe” your camp with out you knowing I would and will. I feel a bit of angst towards me for my previous posts. I will post more tomorrow it is 1030 here and I am tired.. Interested but tired. I am sorry everyone about the trucks. They are of course ready and waiting. I left a lot of info out that I thought was common sense.

[FVR]

This goes back to another thread that was posted about a week or two ago

Everyone in the team/group needs to have the same motivation and philosophy for being there. The goal must be the same for all and all must be willing to work towards that goal. If not, get out of the team because you are a liability.

That was a good thread, what happened to it? Lumpy, if you find it read it. It will give you some input on a few of us here. Volwest has already analyzed us, probably has files on us as we speak.

Oh yeh, found my freak'n bino's.



Damn!

That Hatchet Jack was a wild one.


He was living with a female panther.

Two years in a cave
up in the Musselshell.

She never did get used to him.

[ryaninmichigan]

This goes back to another thread that was posted about a week or two ago

Everyone in the team/group needs to have the same motivation and philosophy for being there. The goal must be the same for all and all must be willing to work towards that goal. If not, get out of the team because you are a liability.

That was a good thread, what happened to it? Lumpy, if you find it read it. It will give you some input on a few of us here. Volwest has already analyzed us, probably has files on us as we speak.

Oh yeh, found my freak'n bino's.

Yes but again VW has shut it down. VW if you are the leader cool. Don’t want to go with us? Cool too. Like I said were pulling out in the morning. Good luck to you and yours. I was just trying to make this interesting, go read a book. Good thing you are on the left coast………..

[FVR]

Well, funny thing. I'm not even listed in the group.

Just one man, passing buy, chop some wood, dry wood to keep the smoke down during the day, no fires at night. Smokes easier to see at night.

Always trust my gut.


l'm half horse, half gator,
and a touch of the earthquake.

l got the prettiest gal,
fastest horse...

...ugliest dog this side of hell.

l can out-jump, out-run, throw down...

...drag out and whip
any man in all Kentucky.

[Sarge47]

A. This is it, I have everything I could carry of value with me. I do not expect to go home ever again.

B. Sure he can head out and talk to them. Not me, they had guns and did not seem to care about what they are doing.

C. I radioed the guys they are at your camp with me.

D. It is mid August fall will be here in 6 weeks.

E. Can’t answer that one.

Hmmm, RiM, as a hunter & the cook I might point out that taking rabbits in the summer is not always good. Tule...Tule...Rabbit fever, plus they don't have any fat which needs to be added somehow. Still, it seems to be a peaceful offer. And yes, FVR is with us, we just didn't mention him because we don't want all of our chips on the table either.

[owl_girl]

To quote Will Smith's role in,Men in Black,"Now that's what I'm talking about."
vw has just addressed my two concerns in this one sentence.

1."My job was..."
The mission for this group has yet to be defined.The mission is what drives the military mind.If I'm going to risk my life, then I need to believe in the mission.Believe to the point that the mission is more important than my life, or yours.

2."and hold this position with 8 men."
Notice vw didn't say hold this position by himself.For this group to have any effectiveness in combat its going to have to train as a team.Train to the point that everyone starts thinking as one.

I thought the mission was for us to survive and for as many in the group to survive as possible. He said the SHTF, which I assumed meant we are trying to survive it not go on some political mission.
I suppose it would be impotent for me to tell everyone in this scenario that although I can injure someone to protect myself and others, I cant take a life, not fore anyone but especially not for my self, however though I would not kill for the group I would die for the group, if that’s not enough for you guys just say the word and I’m gone, I will leave the group and try to survive it on my own.

[FVR]

Sarge, ya just making me feel all cozy.

Owl Girl, no one is asking you to kill anyone, you don't need to leave. Just don't fall asleep on watch, and if you see something not right make us aware.

Every person is diff., the common goal must be the same, but we all have our jobs to do. A tap on the shoulder, a quiet warning can be more productive than just opening fire.

[FVR]

Now, it's time to hit the sack.

See that tree over thar, yeh that one that's 50' from camp. To the right, I have built a small fox hole. What, you think I cut all that wood for the fire?

It's ground level, when it's my watch, just come over and I will hear you. Don't worry, I will know it's you.

Good night.

Oh yeh, keep the coffee hot.

[owl_girl]

Sarge, ya just making me feel all cozy.

Owl Girl, no one is asking you to kill anyone, you don't need to leave. Just don't fall asleep on watch, and if you see something not right make us aware.

Every person is diff., the common goal must be the same, but we all have our jobs to do. A tap on the shoulder, a quiet warning can be more productive than just opening fire.

Ok. I thought it would be more polite to tell people now instead of waiting until we’re in the middle of a battle lol. That’s cool that your ok with it but it is a team and the team needs to be ok with it. in the mean time im totally cool with keeping watch at night. I have no problem staying awake all night, lol that’s why I chose the name owl girl

[Sarge47]

I thought the mission was for us to survive and for as many in the group to survive as possible. He said the SHTF, which I assumed meant we are trying to survive it not go on some political mission.
I suppose it would be impotent for me to tell everyone in this scenario that although I can injure someone to protect myself and others, I cant take a life, not fore anyone but especially not for my self, however though I would not kill for the group I would die for the group, if that’s not enough for you guys just say the word and I’m gone, I will leave the group and try to survive it on my own.

You don't have to kill any one, owl girl. Just let someone know if things look out of sorts. In a pinch, just look mean, scream, and wave that machete around, you'll scare the dickens out of most people! BTW, no one knows for sure what they'll do until the time comes.

[lumpy]

A newbies perspective:
Make fvr and wareagle69 squad leaders in charge of patrols, defensive perimeters,and combat training.
sarge47 will be in charge of supplies,procurement and the coffee pot.
vw will the XO,with the additional duties of operations and intelligence.
Drum roll please.After much agonizing thought,I nominate nell67 as CO.She's old enough not to be stupid and young enough not to suffer from indecision.Plus if she can manage all those pimply faced kids at the ff restuarant,then she can surely manage us.
If you need me I'll be helping fvr chop wood.Maybe he'll share some of that Crown Royal his pictured with in his profile.lol

[owl_girl]

A newbies perspective:
Make fvr and wareagle69 squad leaders in charge of patrols, defensive perimeters,and combat training.
sarge47 will be in charge of supplies,procurement and the coffee pot.
vw will the XO,with the additional duties of operations and intelligence.
Drum roll please.After much agonizing thought,I nominate nell67 as CO.She's old enough not to be stupid and young enough not to suffer from indecision.Plus if she can manage all those pimply faced kids at the ff restuarant,then she can surely manage us.
If you need me I'll be helping fvr chop wood.Maybe he'll share some of that Crown Royal his pictured with in his profile.lol

Now there’s those two words again, the ones that scared m in the first place (combat and train) you want combat training? If someone puts me in combat training I assume they intend for me to kill? And if I don’t would you still accept me in the group lumpy? Or would I be in the way? I need to know.

You sound like your building an army and I’m getting nervous.

[owl_girl]

I suppose I should be more specific. I can’t take a human life. I’m not opposed to going hunting or fishing, though I don’t think I’d be that good at it. I’d love to try spear fishing though. Anyway my point is I was only referring to humans and I’m not a vegetarian.

[owl_girl]

Volwest makes sense so fare. I’m cool with volwest being leader so long as he wants to. Actually I’m a little surprised you wanted to VW. I’d think we’d all annoy you to much lol. Also its easier to hide yourself then to hide a group. And I suppose hiding a small group is easier then hiding a large one…is that why you wouldn’t want more people?

Keep role playing ryaninmichigan. Lets see where this goes

Is anyone out there going to play bad guy or an unfriendly at any point in the game / experiment. Just a thought. In reality we’d probably run into one of those. I’d like to see where that goes.

[nell67]

Now there’s those two words again, the ones that scared m in the first place (combat and train) you want combat training? If someone puts me in combat training I assume they intend for me to kill? And if I don’t would you still accept me in the group lumpy? Or would I be in the way? I need to know.

You sound like your building an army and I’m getting nervous.

owl_girl,combat and train should not scare you,it could save your life,it does not mean that you have to kill,just put up a good fight and while your at it make some noise,it wont get too far before someone from our group hears you and they will be there,even if that help comes through the scope of a gun from a distance.

If you dont survive, we dont survive.Would I kill someone to save you? Yes,or die trying.

[Sarge47]

owl_girl,combat and train should not scare you,it could save your life,it does not mean that you have to kill,just put up a good fight and while your at it make some noise,it wont get too far before someone from our group hears you and they will be there,even if that help comes through the scope of a gun from a distance.

If you dont survive, we dont survive.Would I kill someone to save you? Yes,or die trying.

Nell, I'm promoting you to Corporal at least! Hooah!

[ryaninmichigan]

Where do I start? VW, I am making this up based on Sarge’s original thread. The one where I was already accepted into the group. The part about coming into your camp is only a method of inserting myself and brothers into said group.

Also who said anything about combat? Relax put your sabers down. The guys looting the gas station were more then likely locals. I don’t think they will want to head this way anyway. All the free stuff is towards the last own. 3 hours away by car.

The rabbits we just happened to see so we shot them. We are not living off rabbit by any means. It has only been 1 day.

I am interested in forming a community where we all have something to bring to the table. Nothing more.


Any way just finished Breakfast and we are getting ready to pull out to get to the lake. The sunrise was red this morning. I think we need to get going so we can stay out of the rain.

[trax]

Volwest, your first response was virtually impeccable. You can PM me if you want to tell me how you knew to put me on the left.

FVR, you were definitely always part of the group, a couple of pages ago I nominated you as a potential leader.

I can see RiM's point that he was trying to only keep things rolling based on the original posting, I'm cool with that, like I mentioned yesterday I was rattling on beyond where I had permission simply because there were few others here.

Owl_Girl, if we as a group are ever in a "combative" situation, there's a lot to be said for someone who can protect one's back if one is sniping. The ability to remain still, observe surroundings and warn if necessary. No one can watch all directions at all times no matter how good their training ergo, you're still helping group members. I'm sure anyone who has posted here so far who is capable of packing a rifle and squeezing the trigger will agree with me on that one.

Can't respond to everything I've read to date, cool to see everyone jumping in though.

[lumpy]

Thanks owl-girl and rim.I was getting a little carried away.This certainly isn't about combat.(btw-I've never done that.)Substitute survival training for combat training.After all we aren't out to harm anyone unnecessarily. We just want to be left alone to practice our survival skills until this TSHTF situation plays itself out and everything gets back to normal.I still think the training is necessary to convince other groups,who may be less prepared than ourselves,that they had better leave us alone.