Living in the woods/The Bare Wilderness Numptys!

[Sarge47]

and if they cannot get it to work?

Good point Nell, Anybody ever taken electronic gizmos out into the woods? Remember the guy I wrote about sometime back who was going to count on his GPS and Cell Phone? SPIRITMAN, never ASSUME anything, It can make an *** out of U & ME!

[wareagle69]

i personally think that they should reshedule to the spring maybe do a ten day test run doccument learn then do again. they need to give themselves the winter to study wild edibles, not 45 days.

[owl_girl]

I think everybody who responded, except for maybe you and Owl Girl, expressed concern & caution for their venture.

I was expressing concern when I posted post # 71, maybe not as passionately as you but I was expressing concern

[Sarge47]

I was expressing concern when I posted post # 71, maybe not as passionately as you but I was expressing concern

Sorry, my bad! I read so many posts regarding this I can't keep them all straight. Besides, I always view you as a gentle, wise spirit, not hard-headed like me!

[SOE digital]

Do any of you wolves think I was to hard on the guys from "Bare Wilderness"?

No.
Those guys from 'BareWildernes" are two stupid ****ing numpties that want to coem here, ask for advice in someone elses thread and then cry like *****es when they don't hear what they want.

Did they want us to go "Omgzorz! You guys are as kewl as Bear GRylls1!!!!111 Aweeeeezomes!"
Focken numpties. I hope they have the most miserable 30 days of their lives just so they realise they should have listened to people with experience.

[spiritman]

and if they cannot get it to work?

lol then they are screwed!

[spiritman]

Good point Nell, Anybody ever taken electronic gizmos out into the woods? Remember the guy I wrote about sometime back who was going to count on his GPS and Cell Phone? SPIRITMAN, never ASSUME anything, It can make an *** out of U & ME!

Yeah, thats why they should test it out first, and not just wherever, exactly where they will be using it. And not just once, they should test it out every day from now until their trip.

[spiritman]

Originally they implied that there was only them, their clothes, and their knives. They wrote the "new" stuff later to save face, IMO. Spiritman, here's the million dollar question, the one they didn't answer, which is the same as a refusal, and they had the time to answer other questions so this one wouldn't have been too hard: "Why do you think you know more than the experts?" I think everybody who responded, except for maybe you and Owl Girl, expressed concern & caution for their venture. They are not going into the woods for just a weekend, or even 7 days, they're going for 30 days. Go back and read what Trax, Wareagle and Rick SAR wrote about this idea. Here's another question they didn't answer: "What do you do if you're buddy slips and falls down on his knife, cutting open the femoral artery. You now have blood pumping out of the body at an alarming rate, How do you save him?" Also go to the "About Food" thread and you can see why not taking any food with you, at least to start with, is a bad idea. I have studied "Goal setting" under the famous Sales Trainer & Motivator: Zig Ziglar. The "dream" here is really just that, a goal. A goal has several stages; the 1st is to write it down on a "wild idea" sheet. Next is to look at it realistically and design it properly. Be prepared to modify it if you have to. Then you need to list in order of importance all the steps you need to take to reach it, include all the people you need to talk to, learn from, etc.

Finally, the dumbest thing that Adrian posted was what demonstrated his lack of maturity: "I don't plan to fail." Spiritman, if you don't plan to fail then you will be unprepared when you do. Every expert knows this like they know their name. In answer to your last question No I haven't joined their site and gone over it based on the nonsense that greeted me when I 1st got there. It's a whole package. p.s.: I disagree with you on the "cockiness' remark. I read their "bios".

It's just that I see this as a possible venture, that's all. Yeah it's dangerous, even a high possibility of death, but that's their choice. Also you can't think that if the guys wife had that big of a problem with it then that guy wouldn't be going.

I like wareagles idea to simply delay it until spring or something, and I think that would be the best idea, and with everybody who said they should go on a test run for a week a couple times. THEY WON'T DELAY it, but that's because they already set the date and would lose too much face and any sponsorship they still have with their little community which is unfortunate. They have been preparing since march, and if they are dedicated enough in their "studying" I think they can do it. Does everyone think that it would be impossible for someone to do?

[Sarge47]

It's just that I see this as a possible venture, that's all. Yeah it's dangerous, even a high possibility of death, but that's their choice. Also you can't think that if the guys wife had that big of a problem with it then that guy wouldn't be going.

I like wareagles idea to simply delay it until spring or something, and I think that would be the best idea, and with everybody who said they should go on a test run for a week a couple times. THEY WON'T DELAY it, but that's because they already set the date and would lose too much face and any sponsorship they still have with their little community which is unfortunate. They have been preparing since march, and if they are dedicated enough in their "studying" I think they can do it. Does everyone think that it would be impossible for someone to do?

I just realized what the problem is here, Spiritman, you're viewing this emotionally rather than logically. I don't know why the guy's wife is okay with it, that doesn't make it right. Remember: 300.29.1!

[Sarge47]

Yeah, thats why they should test it out first, and not just wherever, exactly where they will be using it. And not just once, they should test it out every day from now until their trip.

It might work just fine 10 days into their trip, then go bad! What then? It's30 days, remember? Please don't let your desire to view "an adventure" cause you to turn a "blind eye" to possible danger! Please re-read all the advice on this post regarding that trip. One little thing can throw this thing into a "cocked hat"!

[owl_girl]

Sorry, my bad! I read so many posts regarding this I can't keep them all straight. Besides, I always view you as a gentle, wise spirit, not hard-headed like me!

Aww that’s alright Sarge, I wasn’t offended. Your not to hardheaded, now those guys from BareWilderness are hardheaded. I do hope they come out ok though wiser. This will probably be a humbling experience for them.

[spiritman]

I just realized what the problem is here, Spiritman, you're viewing this emotionally rather than logically. I don't know why the guy's wife is okay with it, that doesn't make it right. Remember: 300.29.1!

According to your logic this trip has a 90% chance of success. Good odds for any energetic enterprising person.

Also i don't see how I'm going about this emotionally, so if you could clarify that for me?

[spiritman]

Aww that’s alright Sarge, I wasn’t offended. Your not to hardheaded, now those guys from BareWilderness are hardheaded. I do hope they come out ok though wiser. This will probably be a humbling experience for them.

I definitely think your right about how they will come out of there, and with a lot of new respect for nature they never thought they could have.

[spiritman]

It might work just fine 10 days into their trip, then go bad! What then? It's30 days, remember? Please don't let your desire to view "an adventure" cause you to turn a "blind eye" to possible danger! Please re-read all the advice on this post regarding that trip. One little thing can throw this thing into a "cocked hat"!

I haven't denied any danger, and I'm not going to be keeping track of their "adventure" as you put it. Everyone that has stuck their head out the door knows that random junk can throw any plans to the crapper.

[spiritman]

You guys sure like to throw in a lot of hypothetical situations so here's one: What if everything works out great? I understand that most of you have gone through rough times and a lot of the time it was WAY out of your control, but what about easy times? Does anyone here understand Luck? Sarge you should, knowing that "accident prone" guy. Well my girl, her name is Luck, works both ways. What do you have to say about luck and also worse case scenarios Volwest, since that seems to be what this has been about.

[Sarge47]

According to your logic this trip has a 90% chance of success. Good odds for any energetic enterprising person.

Also i don't see how I'm going about this emotionally, so if you could clarify that for me?

You're using what's known as "compartmental thinking." You're just looking at the trip as a "great adventure". even if the trip is successful, so what? To be successful only means that they come back alive. Next what happens? Do they do it for 6 months? A year? What about people like you who might think this is cool and go out and have problems? Why do you think all the older, more experienced hands on this are against it? Did you see the movie titled "Shackleton?" In around 1917 Ernest Shackleton set off for the South Pole, He dropped off some people at a winter camp at one point and then continued on getting his ship stuck in the ice where it was later crushed as the ice closed in. Shackleton was hailed a hero for getting all of his people from the ship back safely, though some did have toes amputated. What the movie didn't mention was the 1st team he left at the 1st camp suffered tremendous loss of life. You need to see the whole picture.

[owl_girl]

You guys sure like to throw in a lot of hypothetical situations so here's one: What if everything works out great? I understand that most of you have gone through rough times and a lot of the time it was WAY out of your control, but what about easy times? Does anyone here understand Luck? Sarge you should, knowing that "accident prone" guy. Well my girl, her name is Luck, works both ways. What do you have to say about luck and also worse case scenarios Volwest, since that seems to be what this has been about.

Luck isn’t a very reliable lady friend, she may treat you good one day and crush you the next, would you rely on a girl like that?

[Sarge47]

You guys sure like to throw in a lot of hypothetical situations so here's one: What if everything works out great? I understand that most of you have gone through rough times and a lot of the time it was WAY out of your control, but what about easy times? Does anyone here understand Luck? Sarge you should, knowing that "accident prone" guy. Well my girl, her name is Luck, works both ways. What do you have to say about luck and also worse case scenarios Volwest, since that seems to be what this has been about.

People make their own luck, Spiritman.

[spiritman]

You're using what's known as "compartmental thinking." You're just looking at the trip as a "great adventure". even if the trip is successful, so what? To be successful only means that they come back alive. Next what happens? Do they do it for 6 months? A year? What about people like you who might think this is cool and go out and have problems? Why do you think all the older, more experienced hands on this are against it? Did you see the movie titled "Shackleton?" In around 1917 Ernest Shackleton set off for the South Pole, He dropped off some people at a winter camp at one point and then continued on getting his ship stuck in the ice where it was later crushed as the ice closed in. Shackleton was hailed a hero for getting all of his people from the ship back safely, though some did have toes amputated. What the movie didn't mention was the 1st team he left at the 1st camp suffered tremendous loss of life. You need to see the whole picture.

So what are you looking at this trip as then Sarge?

I haven't bothered asking them what happens next, but I doubt that they will be going again for any longer that this trip, and I bet they will actually listen to our advice and take some more vital gear.

And despite the fact that I think this is cool, I'm not going anywhere with just a knife, I bring a little extra gear, look at the minimalist survival thread. I'm also not the only one to do it! I don't go for a month either.

They are against the way they are going about it, and it's not the actual fact that they are going for a month, but that they are only bringing knives. And look at RickSAR's post, I think you might have given him the wrong impression about how long they would be gone when you asked him for his input, because he said to "TRY IT OUT FOR A MONTH"

[spiritman]

People make their own luck, Spiritman.

that's my point sarge, I'm glad you said it.