Good items to keep for WW3

**Zack** · 02-16-2015, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Iskander

Bowfight could be interesting. Why do you say a gunfight is better than a fistfight? You're much more likely to die in the former. But in this imagined doomsday/WW3 world if you get in a fight (unless it's just a scuffle with someone in your group) it's probably going to be to the death. So fists, guns, a rolled up magazine, whatever you can do to mean you being alive and your attacker not. But I'd rather be the one with a gun not a magazine..that would be OP. He's going all out with sex toys so I'm assuming he's at least got some nudey mags in that essentials list too. You could offer a deal, like throw in a Penthouse for each one of your customers that buys a pocket pussy or whatever.

It could have been better phrased, but what I meant is that I'd rather have a muzzleloader than nothing when the chips are down... But I have absolutely no combat training at all, so I may be wrong. I'm just using common sense... But I don't think that this is the right place to talk about self-defense.

But for off the grid living, or grid-down living, I think that a muzzleloader would make a decent utility rifle out to 150 yards. I don't know what area you're from, but in Delaware, the largest game I can possibly see myself taking is a 200 lb. deer. Maybe a small bear if things really got crazy... What do you think?

If fighting did come your way , look at situations like Ukraine, Syria, and maybe even Ferguson, where you may not be a soldier or refugee, but simply a resident in an area where fighting is going on, you probably wont have the conveniences of grocery stores, gas stations, and electricity. I think that something like a bow or muzzleloader would be a solid option for hunting. Once again, I may be wrong, but I'm just trying to use common sense.

**Iskander** · 02-17-2015, 12:16 AM

I'm no expert either. My ideas are all hypothetical. But, personally, a muzzleloader would probably be one of my last choices. Depends on the situation, if you're hoping to remain undetected, well that rules out pretty much all firearms unless you have or can make a reliable suppressor. Bow/crossbow would be ideal for hunting in that situation. If you had to fight other humans (who have guns) you'd probably be better off with a bow than a single shot muzzleloader. If you're just talking about longterm survival, and the issue of ammunition, you're still going to have to have a steady supply of gunpowder, and even if you have the metal, you'll have to learn how to shape and mold it into the appropriate proportions, if this is your only means of ammunition. This could be difficult, impossible (depending on your equipment) and dangerous. If it comes down to raiding for supplies, do you think you'll be more likely to find raw gunpowder and/or bullets to fit your muzzleloader, or ready-to-fire easily recognizable rifle rounds? One last thing to consider is if you're hunting, what if you miss or don't get a vital hit? When it comes to putting food on the proverbial table, being able to make a quick second chance shot could be vital. That's just my personal thoughts on it.

**canid** · 02-17-2015, 12:23 AM

Can I take a moment to observe that in this large scale land invasion of my country scenario I'll probably be issued the same equipment, uniform, weapons and training as the rest of the volunteers and draftees?

**Iskander** · 02-17-2015, 12:30 AM

The wildlife (at least the big game) is similar here in Arkansas. I think my most important gun (at least equally as important as a high powered hunting rifle, yet to be purchased) is my .410/.22 combo. I'm much more likely to feed myself with squirrels, rabbits, even birds than deer, just because they're so much more plentiful, which makes the gun more useful to me. I also have a handgun I'd probably have on me in this type of situation but that is really just for personal protection, also important, the usefulness of it varies widely by situation.

**hunter63** · 02-17-2015, 12:33 AM

There are many people that have learned to build, shoot, and maintain muzzleloader rifles and smooth bores.
adding one to you small collection is a good thing

Like anything else, it is a learned skill that required time, effort and money.

.62 caliber French Fusil...shoots .62 cal round balls and 20 ga shot loads.
Being a flint lock, doesn't require caps or primers for making boom.

BP can be home made and lead is available with a some scrounging skills.

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I sure that this will be firing long after the ammo runs out on the black rifles.........

**rebel** · 02-17-2015, 12:56 AM

To the op, I don't know what you are envisioning. Historically, I'd take a BP over a stick most of the time.

**Rick** · 02-17-2015, 07:00 AM

Northern aggressors? Yellow bellied Yankees? Hmmpf. Sounds like sour apples to me. You lost and now you're grumpy. Lee had his chance but ole Jeb was AWOL so Lee got his hat handed to him. By the way, Kyrat, Kaintuck was a Yankee state. Now you're gonna claim you're with Turney's 1st Tennessee ain't ya?

**randyt** · 02-17-2015, 07:14 AM

the truth is Lee didn't surrender. When he walked in to that courthouse that fateful day he bumped into Grant and thought he was a aide. So he handed him his sword to have it cleaned. Later he realized his mistake and being the gentleman he was and knowing the war went on to long as it was, he claimed it was a surrender. Common knowledge LOL.

**Zack** · 02-17-2015, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Iskander

I'm no expert either. My ideas are all hypothetical. But, personally, a muzzleloader would probably be one of my last choices. Depends on the situation, if you're hoping to remain undetected, well that rules out pretty much all firearms unless you have or can make a reliable suppressor. Bow/crossbow would be ideal for hunting in that situation. If you had to fight other humans (who have guns) you'd probably be better off with a bow than a single shot muzzleloader. If you're just talking about longterm survival, and the issue of ammunition, you're still going to have to have a steady supply of gunpowder, and even if you have the metal, you'll have to learn how to shape and mold it into the appropriate proportions, if this is your only means of ammunition. This could be difficult, impossible (depending on your equipment) and dangerous. If it comes down to raiding for supplies, do you think you'll be more likely to find raw gunpowder and/or bullets to fit your muzzleloader, or ready-to-fire easily recognizable rifle rounds? One last thing to consider is if you're hunting, what if you miss or don't get a vital hit? When it comes to putting food on the proverbial table, being able to make a quick second chance shot could be vital. That's just my personal thoughts on it.

Like you say, I wouldn't want a muzzleloader to be my only self-reliance gun, but I think it would make a solid choice. It's arguably easier to operate than some modern guns, certainly powerful enough to take game, and can be operated with easy to acquire, easily manufactured components, if that's what it comes down to...

For hunting and utility purposes, I think that a muzzleloader, 12 gauge pump, .22 bolt action, and .357 revolver are all nice choices. But here in Delaware, I can hunt with a muzzleloader easier than with anything else. The season is longer, there are less laws, and other things make it better than any other firearm. I can't hunt with a rifle, so a muzzleloader is a solid option for medium and maybe even large size game. To sum up my thinking, I don't think that a muzzleloader is perfect, but I do thin that it's a solid option for self-reliance/grid-down living.

**Zack** · 02-17-2015, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by randyt

the truth is Lee didn't surrender. When he walked in to that courthouse that fateful day he bumped into Grant and thought he was a aide. So he handed him his sword to have it cleaned. Later he realized his mistake and being the gentleman he was and knowing the war went on to long as it was, he claimed it was a surrender. Common knowledge LOL.

Sounds like a good topic for the "Civil War Buffs?" thread I started last night...

**Rick** · 02-17-2015, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Randy

the truth is Lee didn't surrender.

Bah. Humbug. Lee should have accepted command of the Union Army when he had the chance.

**Zack** · 02-17-2015, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Iskander

The wildlife (at least the big game) is similar here in Arkansas. I think my most important gun (at least equally as important as a high powered hunting rifle, yet to be purchased) is my .410/.22 combo. I'm much more likely to feed myself with squirrels, rabbits, even birds than deer, just because they're so much more plentiful, which makes the gun more useful to me. I also have a handgun I'd probably have on me in this type of situation but that is really just for personal protection, also important, the usefulness of it varies widely by situation.

Hmm... I think that for me, in my area, taking deer is a much more effective means of hunting. I have a lot of squirrels, some rabbits, and a large population of waterfowl. I don't know where you are in Arkansas, but I know that parts of the state could be considered "the duck hunting capitol of the world". Here on the Eastern Shore, ducks and geese are some of the largest wildlife populations in the region. But right near my house, I have a field that is a stone's throw away, where it's common to see 15-20 deer everyday. With the access to deer, I'd probably go hunting for them before I went out to the duck blind. But to each his own!

**Grizz123** · 02-17-2015, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by kyratshooter

Too this day I do not believe there is a first world nation that would have technology of this nature that could equip, transport and execute and invasion across either ocean barrier bordering the US with any element of surprise. Without the element of surprise tactical nukes or conventional weapons could be used to eliminate them mid ocean.

My biggest worry is the Damn Yankees coming back after the second succession!

9/11/01 - do you have any idea what happened on that day? 19 radical islamists attacked this great Country and killed close to 3,000 Americans. They dont need nukes or even armies, all they need is a few crazies to disrupt our way of life.

Currently there are investigations in 49 states regarding active ISIS (or other radical islamists groups) who are planning some sort of action against this Country

In their minds (radical islamist), they are fighting in WWIII and their goal is to convert or kill every non-muslim, and even kill muslims who do not subscribe to their radical views. They are killing people all over the world, beheading them, burying kids alive because they were Christians and refused to convert and countless other acts of violence.

The third world war is not one country against another country as much as it is sane people against radical islamist way of thinking. Sadly they dont have the ability to live and let live because in their way of thinking, a "good" muslim must convert or kill everyone until there is only one religion on the planet.