Just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber

**Rick** · 01-22-2015, 07:23 AM

I'm in favor of the Chinese Throwing Algebra Book.

**RangerXanatos** · 01-22-2015, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

I'm in favor of the Chinese Throwing Algebra Book.

I'm not going to just throw numbers out there but the Canterbury Tales might be a better book. I think a flying Chaucer would do more to stop irrational intent than a pi.

**Winnie** · 01-22-2015, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by RangerXanatos

I'm not going to just throw numbers out there but the Canterbury Tales might be a better book. I think a flying Chaucer would do more to stop irrational intent than a pi.

Brilliant! Had to give you some rep for that.

**Rick** · 01-22-2015, 09:19 AM

While that's true, and I don't mean to subtract from your point, don't forget that you can multiply the effects with an algebra book and divide the shooters attention between targets. That's a real plus in my algebra book.

**hunter63** · 01-22-2015, 11:13 AM

If you throw a "Civics Book" the bad guy will just fall asleep.

**MrFixIt** · 01-22-2015, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by hunter63

If you throw a "Civics Book" the bad guy will just fall asleep.

That or an economics book...

**hunter63** · 01-22-2015, 12:08 PM

"zzzzzzzzzzz"....Huh?....What? zzzzzzzzzz

Notice who stays awake and gets good grades in E-con......You will work for him/her someday.

**Grizz123** · 01-22-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Winnie

Gawd there's some strange answers here.

It's simple. Shut the door make sure bad guy on opposite side to kids.
If that fails, da@n the rules it's stop the bad guy by any means. I can really see a fruitcake waiting for a classful of kids to open their bags, take out their can of (insert a product here) from their bag and attempt a launch whilst trying to hide. Yeah, that should work, expose yourself to the madman. That's really going to reduce the bodycount. Sheesh.

Yet again some liberal leftie is doing his/her best to complicate a simple situation.

so your simple solution, as expressed above, is for the kids to wait to get shot? And where do they hide in a classroom, behind desks? How long will it take to pile the desks into some sort of defensive manner and after they are piled up, how many bullets will they actually stop of even deflect. Do you think the bad guy will not shoot at the pile of desks? All that work will take much longer than grabbing a can to toss.

"Sheesh"?? how old are you to use a word like that?

**Grizz123** · 01-22-2015, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by natertot

Grizz, you are tripping over yourself here.

No one ever said that the kids should not defend themselves. Quit telling us that is what we are saying.

Then you say not to rely on throwing stuff, but use it as a last resort. If that is the case, why not throw what is already available? Why prepare for last resort? Why not prepare for an adequate defense instead of last hope? What we are saying is if preparations are to be done, there are way better options then throwing cans. I understand these things because I am involved in planning and procedures for these types of things.

Telling the kids to hide and wait to get shot, is telling them not to defend themselves

I said that throwing stuff is a last line of defense when all other barriers are breached, which history shows, breached barriers happen all the time. And throwing stuff that is readily available is great but in a classroom environment, not nearly as effective as a 16oz can of whatever.

I find it hard to believe you are involved in planning and procedures for these types of events. Do they involve kids (under 18) or adult environments?

**Rick** · 01-22-2015, 01:00 PM

Grizz...seriously....you're beating a dead horse. We get that you are in agreement with it. It's time to agree to disagree. And let's not make this personal.

**Winnie** · 01-22-2015, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Grizz123

so your simple solution, as expressed above, is for the kids to wait to get shot? And where do they hide in a classroom, behind desks? How long will it take to pile the desks into some sort of defensive manner and after they are piled up, how many bullets will they actually stop of even deflect. Do you think the bad guy will not shoot at the pile of desks? All that work will take much longer than grabbing a can to toss.

"Sheesh"?? how old are you to use a word like that?

Now you see, you're putting words in my mouth. Please note, my second sentence, then, please note my third sentence (just in case you're having trouble with that, here they are again "Shut the door make sure bad guy on opposite side to kids.
If that fails, da@n the rules it's stop the bad guy by any means.")

And then there's this from my first post#4 "How about intruders can't get in the School in the first place......"

But hey, you read what you want.

As to how old I am, well, I'm old enough to show some respect to my friends here on WSF and substitute words like 'sheesh' for what I'd really like to say.

**natertot** · 01-22-2015, 08:25 PM

Grizz, I am agreeing with Rick on this. I am not going to try and teach you an aspect of my professional career when reading comprehension seems to be a weak trait.

I just can't believe you made a personal attack on Winnie. She is one of the sweetest ladies I have ever met. You, sir, get a major thumbs down.

**Batch** · 01-23-2015, 12:16 AM

Lets take this a different way. My neighborhood has recently had a spate of burglaries of autos. The guy was looking for soft targets. Cars that were likely unlocked.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/C...254933731.html

All you had to do was lock your door and he moved on. Not because anyone couldn't get into ANY of the locked cars. Windows are easy to pop. But, because he wanted to get as many cars as he can in the shortest time.

A shooter doesn't often shoot at targets he can't see, hear or confirm are there. He knows after the first shot is fired his time is limited and he is going to usually take visible targets of opportunity.

So, like statistics prove. Lock your doors and don't leave valuables in plain site.

The best way to survive a gun fight is to avoid a gun fight. If my grand-daughter had my Sig 226 or Glock 34 and was a Annie Oakley. If she was faced with an active shooter with a long gun. My advice to her would be to get away or hide. Do not come to the aid of others or challenge the shooter. Get the hell out or conceal yourself behind as much cover as you can find. Hide behind as much bullet resistant stuff as you can.

Now, if I could have my grand-daughter train with an AR-15 and carry a go bag and her AR everywhere. And she was faced with an active shooter. My advice to her would be to get away or hide. Do not come to the aid of others or challenge the shooter. Get the hell out or conceal yourself behind as much cover as you can find. Hide behind as much bullet resistant stuff as you can. But, get you a good line of site on the means of egress into your hiding spot and shoot till the threat is neutralized if he enter.

If she only had a can of soup. I would simply tell her to get to a better spot of concealment and cover.

I get what your saying as a last ditch effort just before you die. I'd rather spend the last couple seconds finding cover and concealment than grabbing my can. To me its not about trying to win a gun fight with a can as a last ditch effort to save my life. Its about maximizing the chances I won't ever have to put my grand-daughter in that position.

**Tokwan** · 01-23-2015, 03:12 AM

I was waiting if anyone would post that he or she would throw a Hong

**natertot** · 01-23-2015, 03:55 AM

Nah, use the Hong to improvise a slingshot. Or, in Ricks case, use it to repel down from the fourth floor........

**Winnie** · 01-23-2015, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by natertot

Nah, use the Hong to improvise a slingshot. Or, in Ricks case, use it to repel down from the fourth floor........

Man, you're braver than me....Have you seen where that Hong's been?

**Winnie** · 01-23-2015, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Batch

Lets take this a different way. My neighborhood has recently had a spate of burglaries of autos. The guy was looking for soft targets. Cars that were likely unlocked.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/C...254933731.html

All you had to do was lock your door and he moved on. Not because anyone couldn't get into ANY of the locked cars. Windows are easy to pop. But, because he wanted to get as many cars as he can in the shortest time.

A shooter doesn't often shoot at targets he can't see, hear or confirm are there. He knows after the first shot is fired his time is limited and he is going to usually take visible targets of opportunity.

So, like statistics prove. Lock your doors and don't leave valuables in plain site.

The best way to survive a gun fight is to avoid a gun fight. If my grand-daughter had my Sig 226 or Glock 34 and was a Annie Oakley. If she was faced with an active shooter with a long gun. My advice to her would be to get away or hide. Do not come to the aid of others or challenge the shooter. Get the hell out or conceal yourself behind as much cover as you can find. Hide behind as much bullet resistant stuff as you can.

Now, if I could have my grand-daughter train with an AR-15 and carry a go bag and her AR everywhere. And she was faced with an active shooter. My advice to her would be to get away or hide. Do not come to the aid of others or challenge the shooter. Get the hell out or conceal yourself behind as much cover as you can find. Hide behind as much bullet resistant stuff as you can. But, get you a good line of site on the means of egress into your hiding spot and shoot till the threat is neutralized if he enter.

If she only had a can of soup. I would simply tell her to get to a better spot of concealment and cover.

I get what your saying as a last ditch effort just before you die. I'd rather spend the last couple seconds finding cover and concealment than grabbing my can. To me its not about trying to win a gun fight with a can as a last ditch effort to save my life. Its about maximizing the chances I won't ever have to put my grand-daughter in that position.

And we have a winner. Spot on.