any .410 love?

**pete lynch** · 08-29-2014, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by kyratshooter

Now I can only ask; was your family named after what they did, or due to what happed to them?

A little of both.

**RangerXanatos** · 08-29-2014, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

is it just me or does anyone else think the .410 and 20 gauge are about par for recoil? Not much difference to me.

Don't have much experience with the .410 but my break action 20 gauge and pump 12 gauge feel about the same. What I recall on the break action
.410 I shot it didn't kick as much as those. That was also close to 4-5 years ago. Maybe they would feel the same with something heavier than a break action 20 gauge.

**kyratshooter** · 08-30-2014, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

is it just me or does anyone else think the .410 and 20 gauge are about par for recoil? Not much difference to me.

You have some Newtonian physics going on there Rick.

.410 3" load is 5/8oz. shot

Standard 20ga load is 7/8oz. shot

20ga gun is usually heavier than the .410 so the recoil might feel about the same.

I do not consider 20ga. recoil something one actually "feels" and no longer notice anything but the noise. Most of my .410 shooting is done one handed, like a pistol, at a varmint 10 feet away. I suppose that if I had a bad shoulder I would be able to tell the difference.

But then, I have been known to shoot 100 rounds of MN Russian surplus through a rifle with a steel butt plate in an afternoon, so who am I to comment.

**kyratshooter** · 08-31-2014, 07:26 PM

Found a bit of trivia at a place called Dan's Ammo. Seems the British bored old worn out Enfields to smoothbore .410 and sold them as muskets back in the day.

This is the special 2 1/4" brass/single ball round they loaded specifically for that gun.

http://www.dansammo.com/images/inv/AS41001.htm

**randyt** · 08-31-2014, 07:41 PM

I have a old enfield bored out to .410, single shot.

**hunter63** · 08-31-2014, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by kyratshooter

Found a bit of trivia at a place called Dan's Ammo. Seems the British bored old worn out Enfields to smoothbore .410 and sold them as muskets back in the day.

This is the special 2 1/4" brass/single ball round they loaded specifically for that gun.

http://www.dansammo.com/images/inv/AS41001.htm

That is kinda cool info....where were they used.....?

Originally Posted by randyt

I have a old enfield bored out to .410, single shot.

LOL, We know where one went....and why am I not surprised.....

**randyt** · 08-31-2014, 08:02 PM

some were east indian made for riot control.

**kyratshooter** · 09-03-2014, 08:54 PM

Just to put a little fact into the issue, along with the love, myth and trivia.

I was doing some pattern work today and decided that since I had the rack up I would blast away with a 3" 410 load just to see what the pattern looked like.

Not wanting to stretch the issue beyond realism, I fired this shot at 30 yards rather than the standard 40 yard range. I figured the 90 feet is about "top of the tree" limit in my area, and few trees are going to allow a squirrel or sitting bird haven at a taller distance.

Winchester, 3" Magnum hi-brass, 11/16oz. #6 shot.

For them that wonders how long a shell will last when sitting unused? This shell was purchased for use in a Bronco .410 back in 1971! Paper hull with cardboard top wad.

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The circle is 22" in diameter, which should be about right, mathematically, to show choke density at 30 yards.

In spite of being marked Full Choke, the barrel is only giving 56% inside the "zone" at 30 yards. That is just barely Improved cylinder performance by actual count on the paper. 88 shot inside the 22" circle. There are a couple of gaps but if the shot were closer than the 30 yard mark the gaps would be smaller.

I still feel it is dense enough to take game at 30 yards, especially if the game is sitting and you have time to pull the bead down good, and take the limitations into consideration.

if I were foraging for a living or in a survival situation I would take this over a .22LR in a heartbeat!

**Rick** · 09-04-2014, 07:48 AM

Thanks, Kyrat. You are a wealth of information on guns!

**kyratshooter** · 09-04-2014, 08:30 PM

Not really a wealth of information,

Just a guy that, every now and then, shoots at a piece of paper and counts the holes.

A simple act that seems to reveal and dispel myth in a flash.

It is really a pity that .410 shells cost twice what they get for 12ga.

**hunter63** · 09-05-2014, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by kyratshooter

Not really a wealth of information,

Just a guy that, every now and then, shoots at a piece of paper and counts the holes.

A simple act that seems to reveal and dispel myth in a flash.

It is really a pity that .410 shells cost twice what they get for 12ga.

People don't like their myths dispelled.....just saying.

Why is one of those myths....410 shells are too expensive?

What does everyone use them for....varmints?, rabbits?, squirrels?, How many do you shoot in a day?
I don't use .410 on pheasants too often, (only when I don't think I will see one, anyway.....)never ducks, turkey or grouse (around here we call them partridge, or "pat-ridge")...or deer.

Then on the other hand....
Some people shoot paper and cardboard and count holes......How many times do you do that?
If you do it once and have 100 holes in a circle, than another has 103 holes....which one is correct?...So do you need to shoot a third one and try to get two targets to match?....If they match is it still right?,....or if you shoot another and its has one more hole....Is that one right?
Now you used those all up,.... how do you know that the new expensive ones shoot the same as the ones in the 5 gal bucket some one gave you 10 years ago

.....ah,.... I can see where they can get expensive....
Never mind.

**randyt** · 09-05-2014, 11:37 AM

Around her we call grouse "pats"

**hunter63** · 09-05-2014, 11:50 AM

...them some good eating......Play heck trying to hit one with a .410....unless you find one sitting....(and you do).
12 ga with no choke, BIG pattern, #7-1/2 or #8's.....LOTS of BB's

**geartow** · 09-14-2014, 02:54 PM

A 410 snake charmer is what goes for walks and hikes with my family.loaded with the pdx ammo. A elastic butt stock shell carrier with a couple slugs ,couple buckshot and a few bird shot, plus pdf ammo in the stock compartment . Often these are overnight backpack trips. Do not feel under armed at all. And the usaf used shotguns at least in the 90s

**kyratshooter** · 09-14-2014, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by hunter63

People don't like their myths dispelled.....just saying.

Why is one of those myths....410 shells are too expensive?

What does everyone use them for....varmints?, rabbits?, squirrels?, How many do you shoot in a day?
I don't use .410 on pheasants too often, (only when I don't think I will see one, anyway.....)never ducks, turkey or grouse (around here we call them partridge, or "pat-ridge")...or deer.

Then on the other hand....
Some people shoot paper and cardboard and count holes......How many times do you do that?
If you do it once and have 100 holes in a circle, than another has 103 holes....which one is correct?...So do you need to shoot a third one and try to get two targets to match?....If they match is it still right?,....or if you shoot another and its has one more hole....Is that one right?
Now you used those all up,.... how do you know that the new expensive ones shoot the same as the ones in the 5 gal bucket some one gave you 10 years ago

.....ah,.... I can see where they can get expensive....
Never mind.

Well Hunter, I think you are partly right on all counts.

If you shoot a 16 gauge you are going to pay a premium for shells so a .410 is no different. It would just make stocking ammo more expensive if you want to keep a deep inventory.

BTW I have known many upland hunters that bought a case at the start of each hunting season. A case of #8 and a case of #6 was the standard to start the season. For those that do not realize it, those 4 box packs from Walmart are not a case. A case is 500 rounds. You do not have to be labeled a doomsday prepper to have shotgun shells stacked pretty deep.

Cost per round can be a factor when you are in the dove field, shooting trap or skeet or doing one of those run and gun things. All those activities tend to burn up ammo at an alarming rate.

The .410 is not going to be used for those things so it should not be a problem.

I do think that the cost of shotgun ammo has increased less than any of the other forms. When I was a kid, back in the dark ages of the 1960s, a box of shells was $3. Now 50 years latter they are $6. All the while, the single shot shotgun to fire them from has increased in price X5.

As for patterning, I probably shoot and count holes more than most here, but that is because of all the experimenting and testing I do. Being bored and living in sight of the range will do that to you.

For the average person shooting five pattern targets at 40 yards and taking an average inside the 30" circle is the standard. Realistically it would only have to be done once unless one encountered a problem sometime during the life of the shotgun. Something like your situation where you change ammo brands and instantly start missing clays or game.

Like was demonstrated, what is written on the barrel is not always what the shotgun does. That is one of those thing one needs to know.

I also fired a shell a few days back that was labeled a 1 oz load and when I counted the pellets there were less than 3/4 oz of shot in the load.

A single shot into a piece of paper can save one a lot of grief.

**hunter63** · 09-14-2014, 09:14 PM

No doubt.....was just givin' ya a bad time.
I pattern shoot my shot guns.....but the 3-1/2 hevi shot thru a extra full turkey choke....if two are close at 40 yrds......That's good enough.....sucker will hurt you.

I just have to laugh......410 shells are too expensive, yeah right.....and post the message on a $500 Tap a Talk phone......sheesh.

**NavySEAL** · 10-17-2014, 02:17 PM

I first fired a 410 when I was 3 years old... still have it.....Stevens.......works fine for shooting from horseback.

My 45-70 trapdoor springfield fires 410 shells just great.....