SIX Whistleblowers....

[Ken]

Six NTSB whistleblowers. This should be interesting.....

"A group of whistle-blowers, including a number of aviation experts, have come forward in a new documentary to claim that the official explanation for the crash of TWA Flight 800 was wrong and a gas tank explosion did not bring down the flight off the coast of Long Island 17 years ago.

However, the six whistle-blowers, all part of the original investigation team, stopped short of saying the plane was shot down."

TWA Flight 800 investigators break silence in new documentary, claim original conclusion about cause of crash is wrong

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/18...laim-original/

[Old GI]

I suspected something like this since it happened. Good on 'em.

[Ken]

"Flight 800, a Boeing 747, had just taken off from JFK airport with 230 people aboard on July 17, 1996, en route to Paris when it exploded and crashed off the coast of nearby East Moriches, Long Island, killing everyone on the plane."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/18...#ixzz2Wgim3oqL

"On July 17, 1996, (President) Clinton issued Executive Order 13011 – Federal Information Technology, ordering the heads of all federal agencies to utilize information technology fully to make the information of the agency easily accessible to the public."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

[Cast-Iron]

When this story first broke years ago, there were reports from several eye-witnesses. One of them, an Air Force officer (Major I believe) said he saw something like a rocket moving from low on the horizon until it made contact with the plane and exploded. Had this been some ordinary civilian, I probably wouldn't have given this much credibility. But the fact that nothing more was ever heard from what I thought was a very credible witness made me believe some type of cover-up was in the works. The Major seemed certain the jet had been shot down.

I wouldn't be surprised if information surfaces that suggests the flight was brought down by terrorists using one or more shoulder fired SAM missiles.

[JPGreco]

My only problem with it being deliberately shot down is why that particular flight? And of course, followed by well then why weren't more flights shot down? I mean, you give me 10 SAMs and a super villain complex, and I'm gonna at least attempt to drop 10 planes. You give me just 1 SAM though and that same super villain complex, and I'm going after the holy grail of all airplanes. It just seems so random to me, but maybe I'm more calculating that the average terrorist.

Now at some point I had heard that it was possible that flight was accidentally hit by a sub's SAM, and didn't hear much after that. Though a recent article on these whistle blowers did state that a ukrainian plane had been accidentally hit with a sub's missile during a training accident. I would find this a little more plausible due to the fact that this was an isolated incident. I can't cite either of these articles as I don't have the link, but the first was during the initial investigation and the ladder was read today at some point somewhere online.

*uh oh... I said terrorist, plane, and missile*

[welderguy]

My only problem with it being deliberately shot down is why that particular flight? And of course, followed by well then why weren't more flights shot down? I mean, you give me 10 SAMs and a super villain complex, and I'm gonna at least attempt to drop 10 planes. You give me just 1 SAM though and that same super villain complex, and I'm going after the holy grail of all airplanes. It just seems so random to me, but maybe I'm more calculating that the average terrorist.

Now at some point I had heard that it was possible that flight was accidentally hit by a sub's SAM, and didn't hear much after that. Though a recent article on these whistle blowers did state that a ukrainian plane had been accidentally hit with a sub's missile during a training accident. I would find this a little more plausible due to the fact that this was an isolated incident. I can't cite either of these articles as I don't have the link, but the first was during the initial investigation and the ladder was read today at some point somewhere online.

*uh oh... I said terrorist, plane, and missile*

Maybe it was one person on that flight they wanted dead.

[JPGreco]

I thought about that after I posted. Waste of such a valuable resource though for 1 person....

And as a disclaimer, I've thought way too much about being a super villain in my lifetime and have created more daydream contingency plans of what to do as a super villain than for actual emergencies. My job isn't mentally stimulating.... lol

[LowKey]

Was that disclaimer for us? Or the NSA?
LOL.

[welderguy]

I thought about that after I posted. Waste of such a valuable resource though for 1 person....

And as a disclaimer, I've thought way too much about being a super villain in my lifetime and have created more daydream contingency plans of what to do as a super villain than for actual emergencies. My job isn't mentally stimulating.... lol

Or a small small price, to keep a big secret

[Cast-Iron]

I just finished watching a video which addresses the shoddy investigation of the TWA800 incident. The missing physical evidence suggests a poorly orchestrated cover up. Witnesses to the event which were either misquoted or totally ignored as an apparent effort was made to fabricate the official cause as mechanical failure.

One of the witnesses in the video was an Air National Guard helicopter pilot, a Major Fritz Meyer. I am fairly certain he is the military officer and eyewitness I remembered being interviewed in the first few hours following the tragedy nearly 17 years ago.

Why is/was there a need to hide or distort the facts? Why was the FBI caught removing critical evidence from a hanger at 3:00 AM? Why was NTSB denied access to the salvage process until FBI had time to perform their own analysis? And Jet fuel type A1 wouldn't have the volatility required under normal flight conditions to ignite, much less explode, as has been alleged.

I was convinced early on that TWA 800 was brought down by a missile strike. Nothing the government has ever presented has had enough credibility to assuage my concerns. I still can't understand why the need for a cover-up? Who or what are they protecting?

Here's a link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6umn4nsNN2E

[Ken]

Affidavit of Major Fritz Meyer

http://twa800.com/lahr/affidavits/o-fred-meyer.pdf

[Cast-Iron]

Affidavit of Major Fritz Meyer

http://twa800.com/lahr/affidavits/o-fred-meyer.pdf

Thanks for posting the link, Ken. He and his co-pilot probably had the best visual perspective in the immediate aftermath of the explosion. If they could reach the impact area before all of the debris had landed, you'd have to conclude they were close enough to make the kinds of observations he asserts in his affidavit.
Did his co-pilot, Captain Chris Baur, ever give a sworn statement of that night's events?

[Ken]

Did his co-pilot, Captain Chris Baur, ever give a sworn statement of that night's events?

Couldn't find an affidavit, but I did find this:

"Almost due south [of the helicopter], there was a hard white light, like burning pyrotechnics, in level flight. I was trying to figure out what it was. It was the wrong color for flares. It struck an object coming from the right and made it explode." - Capt. Chris Baur

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO...TATEMENTS.html

[welderguy]

It was probably a government drone, hence the coverup

[Cast-Iron]

Couldn't find an affidavit, but I did find this:

"Almost due south [of the helicopter], there was a hard white light, like burning pyrotechnics, in level flight. I was trying to figure out what it was. It was the wrong color for flares. It struck an object coming from the right and made it explode." - Capt. Chris Baur

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO...TATEMENTS.html

Not as detailed a report as Maj. Meyer's, but his description does appear consistent with some type of rocket propelled ordnance and doesn't seem to offer any contradiction to Maj. Meyer's account.

[Cast-Iron]

Saw what I believe was the lead FBI investigator on FOX News this morning. Trying to debunk the missile theories. One HUGE problem, he still can't offer an explanation for the streaking light that several hundred eye witnesses reported seeing strike the aircraft. You think that any credible investigation would HAVE to start with the obvious. Evidently there was still enough daylight that the white smoke/vapor trail (like the one you would observe from a shoulder fired Stinger missile) was described in many eyewitness accounts. A phenomena which, to my knowledge, hasn't been reported before or since in the area where TWA 800 was brought down.

[Ken]

When it comes to matters of importance, my work has made me one of the most skeptical and cynical people you'll likely ever meet.

Nonetheless, even though I've never really trusted politicians, as few as 10 years ago I tended to - I WANTED TO - believe most of what our government had to say on official matters.

My transformation is nearly complete. Due to the constant stream of lies, deceptions, and distortions we have been fed for over a decade, I have sadly come to realize that most elected and appointed government officials are dishonest, self-serving, partisan, power-hungry, disingenuous, and often corrupt individuals who have little or no integrity, and are generally motivated by personal and private agendas, greed, and self interest. I no longer have any faith in the truth or veracity of virtually all statements, findings, testimony, promises, reports, or statistics that come from any government official, department, or agency.

And that really sucks.

[Wildthang]

When it comes to matters of importance, my work has made me one of the most skeptical and cynical people you'll likely ever meet.

Nonetheless, even though I've never really trusted politicians, as few as 10 years ago I tended to - I WANTED TO - believe most of what our government had to say on official matters.

My transformation is nearly complete. Due to the constant stream of lies, deceptions, and distortions we have been fed for over a decade, I have sadly come to realize that most elected and appointed government officials are dishonest, self-serving, partisan, power-hungry, disingenuous, and often corrupt individuals who have little or no integrity, and are generally motivated by personal and private agendas, greed, and self interest. I no longer have any faith in the truth or veracity of virtually all statements, findings, testimony, promises, reports, or statistics that come from any government official, department, or agency.

And that really sucks.

I feel the same way Ken, and you know, now that they have lied so long, they have to keep lying to protect all of the previous lies:scared

[Cast-Iron]

Maybe Americans should insist that it be made a capital offense for public employees/officials to knowingly conceal evidence or offer misleading statements under oath. A crime equivalent to Treason. No long drawn out appeals process. If the evidence is overwhelming, the punishment should be swiftly administered. Do you think Holder's and Clapper's testimony would have been different if they were to face a firing squad for any deceitful responses?

After one or two applications of this remedy I suspect we'd get a lot of senior level resignations or truthful answers. Especially once they realized we were serious. Either way I figure we'd be better off.

[Seniorman]

There is a very interesting discussion regarding this subject on the 24 Hour Campfire, Hunters' Campfire, with a number of former military pilots responding who are well acquainted with gas tanks, airplanes and wiring , missles, etc., and others who believe and disbelieve the old reports, or the new "revelations."
It is a long read, but an interesting one.


http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...pics/7830465/1

Enjoy.

S.M.