White House Pardon Petition

[welderguy]

You're a pretty smart guy. You can work it out if you try.

Not me Im just a dumb redneck, so please explain exactly what B means, and why she is waiting and what she is waiting for.

[canid]

I'm not drawing a conclusion from my inference of what B may have meant. You are doing that.

The double standard comes in when you defend your meaning from a potential inference thereof, but fail to extend the same consideration to B's.

Unless she chimes in, her meaning and your inference of it are separate. As in the broader situation, it's possible that a conclusion is premature, and it's ok to allow for that.

[canid]

I'll amend that to say not that you are doing this, but appear on external evidence to be.

If you haven't noticed, I'm baiting you. It's in good fun if you'll take it that way.

[GreatUsername]

Glad it was just baiting. It was starting to look like this:

[BENESSE]

So in short you cant form your own opinion and have to wait to see what someone else thinks before acting on an issue that wrong.

There is more to this issue than meets the eye. There's also more to Snowden than meets the eye. Additionally, the fact that there are all these "strange bedfellows" in support or against him just makes me want to find out much more. It is not as black and white, IMO, as some of you guys seem to think. Now, if you have enough information to satisfy yourself, hooray for you. I don't.

[Rick]

There is nothing wrong with doing your own investigation and drawing your own conclusions. I wish more folks would do that.

[Ken]

There is more to this issue than meets the eye. There's also more to Snowden than meets the eye. Additionally, the fact that there are all these "strange bedfellows" in support or against him just makes me want to find out much more. It is not as black and white, IMO, as some of you guys seem to think. Now, if you have enough information to satisfy yourself, hooray for you. I don't.

Two "disclosures," or should I say "verifications of what we've suspected for a very long time," concern me. The first is that the government can track my whereabouts through my cell phone, without even contacting my carrier. The second is that the government has a system in place that has allowed it to intercept, store, and, if it chooses to do so, read confidential client e-mail to and from my law office, without the necessity of a search warrant.

I don't give a damn what the President or Holder or the NSA or Congress or the secret courts have to say about the matter. I have the credentials and a license that gives ME the authority to render opinions on legal matters, and regardless of how they attempt to justify or explain their actions, I'm going on record here and now and state unequivocally with 100% confidence that such acts are unconstitutional violations of the Fourth Amendment.

The three branches of government, regardless of whether their intentions are pure or evil, have combined their efforts to secretly deprive the public of its Constitutional protections. And that is enough for me to say that we are seeing our nation being transformed into a police state.

And on top of that, we've seen martial law imposed in Massachusetts, we've seen criminal activity in the IRS, we've seen criminal conspiracy in the form of Fast and Furious, we've seen the unprecedented unconstitutional imposition of Obamacare, we've seen the Benghazi cover-up, we've seen an assault on the Second Amendment, we've seen unconstitutional attacks on freedom of the press (including a knowingly false affidavit filed with the courts in the case of FOX News), and we've seen so many other government excesses in the last few years that I AM CONVINCED THAT GOVERNMENT IS SIMPLY OUT OF CONTROL IN OUR NATION.

[Ken]

“When you have a dictatorship or an authoritarian government, truth becomes treasonous and this is what they do if you are a whistle blower or you’re trying to tell the American people our country is destroying our rule of law or destroying our constitution, they turn it on and they say oh, you’re committing treason,” Paul said.

“For somebody to tell the American people the truth is a heroic effort.” Former Congressman Ron Paul, commenting on Edward Snowden


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz2VuSa0MRh

[canid]

What the fed is currently doing is tantamount in effect to walking into our post offices, private corriers and in cases our homes, making copies of everything they can manage and then assuring us that it's ok, because nobody will actually read or interpret most of it until the flimsiest pretense of probable cause is met.

[Ken]

Poll: Should Edward Snowden, the NSA whistle-blower, go to jail?

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-edward-snowden-poll-hero-or-criminal-20130610,0,1334349.story

[welderguy]

More to the story...HMMMM... could there be a conspricy behind this.... Could Snowden be taking the fall for someone else, is it all fake and the GOV cant or wouldnt do any of the things he says there doing... So let me get this straight he put his life, his families life, and his career on the line for nothing, or maybe he got paid to come forward... It still boils down to one point he is the one putting his azz on the line.

[Rick]

The government proclaims that the metadata they are gathering is only mined for international communications. And then only if those international communications contain some keyword or catch phrase that would warrant further investigation. Very noble of them. Unfortunately, they don't have my permission to gather or mine anything of mine. If they need to do so let them get a search warrant from a legitimate court.

And their assertion that no privacy is violated has no relevance. Will they violate that too if they deem it necessary? Will they violate that as well if newer technology allows them to do so? Where is the line in the sand that government can not cross? It's seems to be blowing with the wind.

[welderguy]

The government proclaims that the metadata they are gathering is only mined for international communications. And then only if those international communications contain some keyword or catch phrase that would warrant further investigation. Very noble of them. Unfortunately, they don't have my permission to gather or mine anything of mine. If they need to do so let them get a search warrant from a legitimate court.

And their assertion that no privacy is violated has no relevance. Will they violate that too if they deem it necessary? Will they violate that as well if newer technology allows them to do so? Where is the line in the sand that government can not cross? It's seems to be blowing with the wind.

+1 Rick!!! the line has been gone for a while now, they just getting more bold and comfortable since no one seems to challenge or care what there doing at least not publicly.

[Wildthang]

Going off grid is getting very appealing!

[welderguy]

Going off grid is getting very appealing!

Might be off grid , but its far from being out of the GOV reach.

[Cast-Iron]

Here's an interesting "illustration" I caught regarding the storage capacity at the Fed's relatively new Utah Data Center. One Yottabyte (the reported memory capacity at the UDC ~ could be much higher) of memory if printed into 8-1/2 X 11" documents would create a pile of paper high enough to reach to the moon and back. Sixty-six million times!

Why would anyone conceivably need that kind of storage capacity? You can bet your sweet arse that they're sucking electronic information out from any crooks, crannies and crevices with the force of an EF5 tornado.

[Ken]

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[welderguy]

Here's an interesting "illustration" I caught regarding the storage capacity at the Fed's relatively new Utah Data Center. One Yottabyte (the reported memory capacity at the UDC ~ could be much higher) of memory if printed into 8-1/2 X 11" documents would create a pile of paper high enough to reach to the moon and back. Sixty-six million times!

Why would anyone conceivably need that kind of storage capacity? You can bet your sweet arse that they're sucking electronic information out from any crooks, crannies and crevices with the force of an EF5 tornado.

For Porn? what else sheees !!!!!

[canid]

Seriously. They aim to have complete snapshots of the largest subset of the internet's traffic at a give time as can be managed. Given what the internet is used for, that's a lot of porn, movies, music and software. Hrm; do you think we could get the film and recording industries to nail them for several million violations of the DMCA?

[Cast-Iron]

Looks like the petition is about to hit the half-way mark, 50,000 signatures in just two days!