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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazuki View Post
    i am 21 years old... Every piece of me just wants to leave "modern society" behind. i want to go live in the wilderness permanently ready or not.
    I dont want any part of this.
    madness. Tomorrow i am going to a meeting for a job but i dont want to... job and money is meaningless to me. Sure you will have to work to survive out in the
    wilderness. i will take the wilderness over "modern society" anyday. i dont have any wilderness survival skills and i know that it greatly reduces my chance to
    survive out there. If there was any people that seriously wants to do the same as me in norway, i would welcome them in open arms. i long for this more
    and more every day.. Any advice?
    Makuzi,

    Thanks for coming to the forums. I can understand at your age you probably have a lot going through your mind. You are probably fresh out of school and stressed about the rigors of the "real world" and having to deal with the battles that may come. It is a perfectly understandable feeling and have no doubts you aren't the only one feeling that. Sometimes it is good to "get away" -- but your suggestion/desire here seems a little worrisome because I believe it puts you in danger. Certainly you wouldn't want that! Here is a little story from "wanting to get away" from experience.

    When I graduated from University when I was 22 -- I didn't feel the need to run away, but decided to rest and go back home for a while and relax. After a few months of decompressing, I took on the job search in earnest and was able to find work quite easily. I had a great paying job with awesome benefits and after six and a half months, I was stressed to the max. We did internal shuffling and hired a lot of external applicants because we were a growing organization. All of us internal employees still had jobs, but we were offered to apply internally to new openings or even have the ability to switch shifts. I didn't get my preference, but I got my second choice which was a step down from my management position, but a cut in pay and much simplified duties. I had to make the choice by August 1st and decided to move on and not accept my new offer.

    I moved to Colorado, where I made a lot less money and had no benefits. I had saved over $3,000 by the time I left the Midwest to go out there. I had a place to stay, a few friends in the area and some safety nets in case something went bad. For my first month out there, I just took in the environment. I experienced culture shock and it was a little tense figuring things out. As an avid hiker/camper/outdoors enthusiast, I spent my weekends camping out in the wilderness gaining experience and finding out more things about myself. By the time winter came around, I had progressed to being able to do a couple of week-long treks out there before I started work. It was a great time, but still had difficulties. I consider myself to be extremely handy and generally well-prepared in a lot of areas. However, I can tell you that after a week -- I was physically and mentally exhausted. I suspect I could have probably made a go for a few weeks before I completely felt disconnect from everything. When those times came, and I came to that understanding, I got out and went back home.

    If you feel a disconnect now (in the modern world) -- I can tell you that it can become greater in the wild. Humans are social animals and it is almost necessity to be around others in order to progress. There is nothing wrong with wanting to get away from a while, but if you already experience issues of loneliness, they will only be magnified in an environment where you have to rely and deal most only with yourself and your inner battles on a constant basis.

    I'm not sure what you have in store for yourself, but I kindly hope you reconsider and take hold of the job that is possibly awaiting for you. Since school, I've worked in three different atmospheres and haven't found that "true" niche yet, but eventually I will. You don't choose a life, just live one. Good things are bound for you. Keep your head high and know we are here to help! My suggestion would to join a club or organization in Norway that helps teach skills and self-reliance.

    After you gain some skills -- try camping for a night or two. If that went successful, plan a weekend trek. After a couple successful weekend treks, move on to a week journey. Keep doing those until you feel comfortable in those lengths of time. Also try to include variable scenarios. Immerse yourself in different elements. Challenge yourself!

    All the bests man. I'm wishing you good vibes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warheit
    You don't choose a life, just live one.
    I'm sorry but I absolutely do not agree with that statement. If you establish your goals and devise a plan to achieve them not only will you choose your own life but one worth living. At 22 I established my short and long term goals and put a plan in place to make them happen. Not all timelines were met. Some were achieved earlier than expected. The plan changed a lot over time as more kids arrived and other life events happened but, in the end, my goals were met, my wife met hers and we've had a great life doing the things we've wanted to do pretty much when we wanted to do them. You have to take responsibility for yourself and decide what you want out of life.
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    I agree with Rick.
    You may not choose your parents, your height, coming down with an illness, acts of nature or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But you choose most other things in life and you choose how to react to those things you didn't choose. That can be scary or empowering depending on how your head is screwed on. The important thing to remeber is that even lousy options are still options and nothing is permanent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    I'm sorry but I absolutely do not agree with that statement. If you establish your goals and devise a plan to achieve them not only will you choose your own life but one worth living. At 22 I established my short and long term goals and put a plan in place to make them happen. Not all timelines were met. Some were achieved earlier than expected. The plan changed a lot over time as more kids arrived and other life events happened but, in the end, my goals were met, my wife met hers and we've had a great life doing the things we've wanted to do pretty much when we wanted to do them. You have to take responsibility for yourself and decide what you want out of life.
    Yet it is a quote that takes nothing away from establishing goals and planning for yourself. Nor is it intended to take away personal responsibility and merit. You are reading into it more than is needed, IMO. But I welcome your opinion on the subject matter.

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    I really hoped that when "Into the Wild" was made into a movie that people would watch it and re-think rash actions as well as foolish behavior. Chris McCandless demonstrated the wrong way about leaving society behind. He dumped his car, buried his money, and headed off to his death. Others on here might wish to encourage such rash and dangerous actions, but I will NEVER enable anyone to commit to such folly!
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    There all always examples of the extremes of a bell curve. Those that make the first post with a knife in their teeth, and those eating Cheetos while reclined in the same couch for 12 plus hours a day. But, the majority are simply searching. They are searching for a mature, insightful, and stearn opinion. They are not searching for a "just because" answer, or a spiteful prejudice. They've heard it too many times and have come to distrust it. WE, can help an overwhelming majority with some civility, and yes a stearn opproach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intothenew View Post
    There all always examples of the extremes of a bell curve. Those that make the first post with a knife in their teeth, and those eating Cheetos while reclined in the same couch for 12 plus hours a day. But, the majority are simply searching. They are searching for a mature, insightful, and stearn opinion. They are not searching for a "just because" answer, or a spiteful prejudice. They've heard it too many times and have come to distrust it. WE, can help an overwhelming majority with some civility, and yes a stearn opproach.
    I agree. There is no doubt that some also come here under the impression that this will be a healthy outlet for him. Face it, we all came here for some reason. As did Makuzi. It sounds like he is looking for help and advice. It also seems he might have found people in similar scenarios to connect to. I wish him all the best and hope he can receive some kind opinions and lessons from those on this board.

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    Draft = slavery. voluntary service = good. I don't like anyone thinking they own me or the fruits of my labors just because I exist and they happen to have a gun they can use to make me do stuff. BTDT have the tee shirt and the bullet holes. DRAFT sucks big time .

    As for running away out of sickness with what one sees, well I would say it was more scared that one might fail. Well let me tell you that failing in the woods when there is no safety net is pretty final.

    While there may be exceptions, it takes a long time for most to learn to live with themselves. Life is scary and somehow it seems simpler on the other side of whatever fence we see.

    The truth is that we make and break ourselves with our minds. Learn how to manage yourself and you can thrive wherever you end up given knowledge and tools, and perhaps luck.

    The first step is always understanding that each of us owns ourself and our life and that our choices direct the path of our life. We can at best predict the outcomes of choices, but the choices are ours to make.

    That's freedom for you, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyratshooter View Post
    They [the Military] have gotten pretty picky about what they accept these days.

    In the old drafted army they would have taken him in a split second and within half a day he would have loved society with all its ills and would have given anything to be back in it!
    Brother, ain't that the truth!

    I was in the Army so many yeaars ago my issue weapon was the late, great, M1 Garand. It was amazing some of the really screwed up guys in the Army at that time with whom I went through Basic, etc. etc. Scary to be around some of them and think , "What happens if we go to war and I have to depend on them in a fight?"

    Glad it has changed for the better.

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    These kind of threads are kinda like a door with a sign that says "wet paint".....We don't really want to get sticky, but we can't help it....gotta try that door.....
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    +1 for Sarge, it is time to say that is a stupid idea, not empower someone to do act in such a way that they endanger themselves or anyone else (rescuers).
    You wouldn't give a toddler a loader firearm...same thing here.
    I would think that Chris McCandless's last thoughts were not "Yeah for me, I just starved myself, lived my last days in misery and hopefully will die in a few moments"
    If you are going to carry on this farce, then do it and stop involving others in you suicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Excuse me but I think the whole objective in the Navy is to not have to swim.
    My grandpa did a lot of swimming in the navy. Before we invaded Okinawa, he was put in a small boat with the rest of his team, and then dropped off a couple of miles from shore. He strapped explosives on him and then swam the few miles to the reef and put the explosives on the reef. Then after swimming to safety, he detonated the explosives so the Marines could land on the beach.

    It took me a long time to get that story out of him. He didn't like talking much about anything then.
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    My statement was actually tongue in cheek. Those guys did a lot stuff on both fronts. The had to go into Normany undetected and take sand samples over and over to ensure the beach would support heavy armor yet be soft enough to land British LCAs and the larger American LCM and even larger LSTs. Tough job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    My statement was actually tongue in cheek. Those guys did a lot stuff on both fronts. The had to go into Normany undetected and take sand samples over and over to ensure the beach would support heavy armor yet be soft enough to land British LCAs and the larger American LCM and even larger LSTs. Tough job.
    Well, I agree with your original statement. Most of the Navy tries not to swim. They just ferry Marines back and forth. Basically a Marine Taxi.
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