You DON'T need a battle rifle.

[glockcop]

[QUOTE=Sourdough;320886]

some people have said that ballistic ally a .22mag and a .223 are practically the same. Nope, not even close.QUOTE]

You will never hear me say that they are even close ballistics. I know which one I don't want to be shot in the chest with (even at 150 yards)...............................and the answer is neither.

I did not imply that you said this. I have heard people from time to time make this rediculous comparison and am most definately aware that you know the difference. Sorry if this was confused.

[glockcop]

I guess it really comes down to: Do you think you will be shooting dinner every other day, or engaging in a firefight every other day. I am quite sure I'll survive longer shooting dinner than you will in a gunfight. You do 30 gunfights over 60 days, and you will be a daisy if you do.

I most definately agree with you on this one, my man. but I also agree with this one by Winter...."I'd much rather hunt with the .223 then be in a gunfight with the .22 mag."......Both very sound advice hahaha!

[glockcop]

Let's end the about to get ugly scene. It'll come down to luck depending on the event. "could've, would've, should've". That's how it rolls.

Nah, this aint about to get ugly. We all have our opinions about what is best in any given situation. It's all in fun/entertainment. Sour, Winter, and myself have varying views on this but I think it is a subject that we all can bring a little something home with. Bottom line if I am going into harms way, I want a AR. If I'm going to fill my stew pot, I want a .22 mag. If/When things get real bad and we have to head for the hills, my. 22 mag Single Six will probably be in a cross draw, a Glock on the strong side, and the AR will be across my chest. Yep, that's alot to lug around but it just goes to show that there is NO perfect tool for everything. It just gives us excuses to buy more guns, hahaha!. Every person here will have their own prefered set up.

[hunter63]

All this being tossed around, my preference for foraging would be the lowly .22 short/.22 lr over a 22 mag......weight wise, and meat destroyed.
I can't see any advantage to a .22 mag over a .22 Lr.

.223 is more of a "destroy what you hit round", for varmints, both kinds.

[glockcop]

All this being tossed around, my preference for foraging would be the lowly .22 short/.22 lr over a 22 mag......weight wise, and meat destroyed.
I can't see any advantage to a .22 mag over a .22 Lr.

.223 is more of a "destroy what you hit round", for varmints, both kinds.

Yes a .22 lr is a better out of a rifle than a .22 mag for not destroying as much meat on small game. But I am using a .22 mag in a revolver which essentially knocks it back down to higher end .22 lr ballistics. That is my reasoning for using a .22 mag in a pistol to begin with because I will have .22 lr ballistics from my pistol and not need to lug around another long arm. Good point to bring up.

[SARKY]

well if you are going to be hauling around an AR why not bring a dedicated .22lr upper for it as well?

[glockcop]

well if you are going to be hauling around an AR why not bring a dedicated .22lr upper for it as well?

Because my Single Six carries alot easier than another AR upper and there is very little I can't hit at 50 yards on back with the S/S.

[Sourdough]

All this being tossed around, my preference for foraging would be the lowly .22 short/.22 lr over a 22 mag......weight wise, and meat destroyed.
I can't see any advantage to a .22 mag over a .22 Lr.

.223 is more of a "destroy what you hit round", for varmints, both kinds.

Hunter, If I lived in the Lower 48, I agree I would choose my CZ Model 453 with it's single set trigger. Here I want the added horse-power too harvest black bears, caribou, sheep, goats, wolves, and smaller fur bearers (Fox, Coyote, etc.) with the .22 Magnum.

[hunter63]

I do have to agree that a .22 or .22mag make a lot more sense that a battle rifle in most scenarios, unless you are going looking for a fight.
Now if you are alone, maybe not a good idea.....bad guys thending to be cowards and bullies, to run in packs (absolutely no references or research, just experience)

Some how the paranoid part of us seems to take over, .22 good, .22 mag better, why not just go to the Ar in .223.....but ya know I really rather have a .308.....or .460...
It will never end.

So far I think my grab guns will be the Savage M24 .22mag/.20 ga, Ruger Single Six, and maybe the Ruger LCR......or just a 12 ga pump.

[Sourdough]

Good post Hunter. I think many confuse survival food procurement with war enviroment.

[hunter63]

I'm think that was your point to start with,........ but seems the battle rifle is prefered by a lot of people........or , a glock .40....45 1911...of wht use in the woods they would be, don't know, don't own either one......(here we go again?)

[SARKY]

Have actually defined a battle rifle? Would the new Ruger scout rifle be considered a battle rifle?

[hunter63]

My definition is AR, AK, or variants, or any thing "military style" with large cap magazines capable of high of rate of fire.

[SARKY]

Technically an AR and AK are assault weapons and NOT battle rifles. A battle rifle has to be a full length round ie .308, 30-06, .303. 8mm Mauser etc.

[hunter63]

Technically an AR and AK are assault weapons and NOT battle rifles. A battle rifle has to be a full length round ie .308, 30-06, .303. 8mm Mauser etc.

OK, can't argue with that....but I guessing that most will reference an "assault weapon" (unknowingly) as their preference as a "Main Battle Rifle".
Thanks for clearing that up.

[Beans]

well if you are going to be hauling around an AR why not bring a dedicated .22lr upper for it as well?

Why lug/purchased a .22 dedicated upper for your ar when you can get one of these.

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ar22stcokitw.html

I have used a http://www.22lrconversions.com/atch-pg.htm for over 20 years without any problems. A couple of 30 Rd mags = loads of fun. I carry it in my vehicle BOB.

Less then one minute from .223 to .22 lr and just as easy to convert back from .22 to .223.

I haven't weighted mine but I think with the plastic storage container I beleive it weights less then 1 lbs

[hunter63]

Kinda liking that conversion, Beans....Thanks for the link.

[crashdive123]

Old Soldier had a similar conversion kit at the first Jamboree. Simple to install - he said it shoots well.

[rebel]

Why lug/purchased a .22 dedicated upper for your ar when you can get one of these.

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ar22stcokitw.html

I have used a http://www.22lrconversions.com/atch-pg.htm for over 20 years without any problems. A couple of 30 Rd mags = loads of fun. I carry it in my vehicle BOB.

Less then one minute from .223 to .22 lr and just as easy to convert back from .22 to .223.

I haven't weighted mine but I think with the plastic storage container I beleive it weights less then 1 lbs

Thanks for the link. Too bad they don't make it in 22 mag.

[navychief1968]

I'll stick with my AR-15.