You DON'T need a battle rifle.

[crashdive123]

Aha! Crash isn't as level headed as we all thought....

Sure I am......as long as we're talking about the flat spot.

[2dumb2kwit]

I agree that firearms are "tools", However I say choose the tool with the widest range of applications. A Crescent wrench is not the perfect tool for anything, but will work and covers the widest range of applications.

Well said.

[Winter]

I agree that firearms are "tools", However I say choose the tool with the widest range of applications. A Crescent wrench is not the perfect tool for anything, but will work and covers the widest range of applications.

I concur but fail to see any 22 mag as being more versatile then an AR.

[Sourdough]

I concur but fail to see any 22 mag as being more versatile then an AR.

The loud painful crack of the AR with no hearing protection is painful, I can pack 1,500 rounds of .22 Magnum as opposed to about 350 rounds of .223 ammo. And dead is dead, I don't want to get hit with either one, and the .22 Magnum is a better all around meat gun for small game to deer & black bear size game. Just my opinion, your milage may vary, depending on the priority assigned to Food or Defense of human encounters.

[rebel]

This might be a good sidearm if you're considering a .22wmr rifle. The pmr30 holds an impressive 30 rounds too.

http://cdn4.gunsforsale.com/media/ca...30keltec-1.jpg

[Winter]

.22 mag is better then .223rem/5.56x45 for game?

22 mag- 40 gr vel. 2020fps / 360 ft lbs energy at muzzle. at 100yds it's 1430/180 respectively.

.223 rem- 55 gr ....3240/ 1282 ............. .................................................. ...................................... at 200 yds 2362/ 675.


If your sole purpose is saving bullet weight, then just say that. LOL.

[Beans]

The loud painful crack of the AR with no hearing protection is painful, I can pack 1,500 rounds of .22 Magnum as opposed to about 350 rounds of .223 ammo. And dead is dead, I don't want to get hit with either one, and the .22 Magnum is a better all around meat gun for small game to deer & black bear size game. Just my opinion, your milage may vary, depending on the priority assigned to Food or Defense of human encounters.

I agree with you on small game and Well Black Bear???? I'll Leave that up for someone else to try.

[Sourdough]

.22 mag is better then .223rem/5.56x45 for game?

22 mag- 40 gr vel. 2020fps / 360 ft lbs energy at muzzle. at 100yds it's 1430/180 respectively.

.223 rem- 55 gr ....3240/ 1282 ............. .................................................. ...................................... at 200 yds 2362/ 675.


If your sole purpose is saving bullet weight, then just say that. LOL.

Allow me to point out that an arrow has nearly ZERO energy, it still kills. It is not the Velocity or the Energy, it is the shot placement. The sole purpose is NOT only to save weight, but to save one hearing, and too use just enough firearm to get the job done.

[glockcop]

Allow me to point out that an arrow has nearly ZERO energy, it still kills. It is not the Velocity or the Energy, it is the shot placement. The sole purpose is NOT only to save weight, but to save one hearing, and too use just enough firearm to get the job done.

An arrow kills by cutting large amounts of tissue with a large surface area of blades. A bullet uses tissue deformation and tearing from it's velocity (hydrostatic shock) for it's wounding effect. The mechanics are not similar and the comparison is not a fair one. As bullets go, heavier and/or faster is better for the desired tissue disruption. Comparing a .22 mag to a .223 is yet another stretch. The .223 carries way more energy, and shoots way flatter than the best .22 mag out there. I am a huge .22 mag fan but it ain't even close to a .223 for tissue distruction. That in itself makes the .22 mag a more desireable small game getter if you plan on eating that rabbit. The .22 mag is a better small game round for it's lack of destructivenesss. The .223 is a better people/medium game round for that same virtue. For the ability to carry the largest amount of ammo in a given space, the .22 mag wins big time. The moral of the story is that some people have said that ballistically a .22mag and a .223 are practically the same. Nope, not even close. That's like saying a Fiat and a Porche is the same. Well they both do have four wheels and burn gasoline but that's about it.

[Sourdough]

[QUOTE=glockcop;320795] some people have said that ballistic ally a .22mag and a .223 are practically the same. Nope, not even close.QUOTE]

You will never hear me say that they are even close ballistics. I know which one I don't want to be shot in the chest with (even at 150 yards)...............................and the answer is neither.

[Sourdough]

I guess it really comes down to: Do you think you will be shooting dinner every other day, or engaging in a firefight every other day. I am quite sure I'll survive longer shooting dinner than you will in a gunfight. You do 30 gunfights over 60 days, and you will be a daisy if you do.

[rebel]

Let's end the about to get ugly scene. It'll come down to luck depending on the event. "could've, would've, should've". That's how it rolls.

[rebel]

Let's end the about to get ugly scene. It'll come down to luck depending on the event. "could've, would've, should've". That's how it rolls.

Hey SD! Oh yea. I'm invisible.

[Rick]

The truth is, where I am, I'll probably garner more food without a firearm than with. A few snares and a couple of nets and I'll have protein. That's generally true even in winter.

[randyt]

Some of the cree and montagais carried one trap with them while traveling and set it out when they stopped for the night. In the morning they would check it and pull it and move on. The more traps the better no doubt but one trap and experience can be effective. When the belly button is gnawing on the backbone that experience may come quick LOL.

I think the bottom line is which will do a guy more good in the long run under most conditions, 1500 rounds of 22 magnum or 250 rounds of .223.

[Sourdough]

The truth is, where I am, I'll probably garner more food without a firearm than with. A few snares and a couple of nets and I'll have protein. That's generally true even in winter.

As many gunfights as some seem to expect, I think fresh long'pork will be laying about everywhere.

[Winter]

I'd much rather hunt with the .223 then be in a gunfight with the .22 mag.

[Sourdough]

I'd much rather hunt with the .223 then be in a gunfight with the .22 mag.

I would rather be in a gunfight with my 3/4 mile shooter than a .223

[Beans]

I would rather be in a gunfight with my 3/4 mile shooter than a .223

I am with you on that one. Distance is my friend.

[Rick]

I don't think it's an either or situation. Around here, I think the woods will be more dangerous than the streets. Too many people in the woods trying to harvest is bound to mean accidents and/or angry encounters. The deer will be behind cover with their heads down while the humans slug it out over hunting space.