Japan today: Everything we plan for.

**oly** · 03-13-2011, 01:01 AM

If I recall the Hawaiian volcano was active just days before the earthquake shutting down the park due to toxic fumes, now this.
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/201...r-japan-quake/
Interesting.

**Rick** · 03-13-2011, 09:38 AM

KY - You do know that if something devastating happened in a domestic reactor that 200 miles may not be enough. The Clinton plant in Illinois is situated just about right for prevailing winds to carry fallout into Kentucky. Add a low pressure or high pressure and your surface winds may become a threat depending on which side of the front you are.

Then you have to add in research reactors scattered across the country as well as those places that actually make the rods like the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant in Kentucky. They have about 10 Billion gallons of contaminated water stored on site as well as the fuel. Add to that the transportation sector that moves spent fuel to Yucca Mountain.

And I think the Kentucky Legislature just lifted the moratorium on nuclear reactors in Kentucky so.........................

**Justin Case** · 03-13-2011, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by OhioGrizzLapp

Even though this is all bad, really bad, the Japanese people will get through this and yes with some help from us and a few other countries. They are a prep type of people and are somewhat disciplined when it comes to this type of disaster. Even the kids in school each have one of these back bags and they even have hard hats and a fire hood issued to them.....

Here is what every Japanese Citizen and even visitors are GIVEN by the Japanese gov't. You have seen these being carried by Japanese people in the news clips that have played the past few days. These are free to anyone, just have to go pick up the qty you need at their aid stations. that is before and after a disaster.

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DAMN GOOD idea,,,,, we should do that here in this country too !

**beetlejuicex3** · 03-13-2011, 12:04 PM

Great observation, AS. I saw some news reports last night commenting on this very thing- no looting!

**BENESSE** · 03-13-2011, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Alaskan Survivalist

I have not heard anything about traffic jams before the sunami or looting. I am indeed impressed with the Japenese. The kit is just more reason to admire these people. I have also noticed that there are few young men in the refugee centers, I'm assuming they are out helping others. They meet thier challlenges head on!

That's one of the more significant differences between them and us. The cultural mindset.
Over there they don't have the need to arm themselves up to their teeth against their fellow countrymen because they're busy helping others and generally making themselves useful.
Guns only make for a more "polite" society in a society that isn't polite to begin with. Think how different Katrina would have been if there were more than a handful of isolated cases of people helping people...if everyone mobilized and the govt. was as on the ball as the Japanese. I'd like to hear more of a promotion of that idea and less of barricading oneself against the golden horde. Frankly, I wish I was able to think more like that myself.
If we didn't have to fight our own people, the act of surviving would be much more productive, IMO.

**randyt** · 03-13-2011, 12:49 PM

the japanese have protected their culture. Their culture isn't diverse, their country isn't a melting pot. They have protected their culture so well it would probably make a skin head blush. What they have done to protect their culture would not happen here. Here it isn't politically correct.

**BENESSE** · 03-13-2011, 12:55 PM

Right on the money, nail on the head, randyt!

**Rick** · 03-13-2011, 02:16 PM

Ethnic groups in Japan:

Japanese 98.5%, Koreans 0.5%, Chinese 0.4%, other 0.6% note: up to 230,000 Brazilians of Japanese origin migrated to Japan in the 1990s to work in industries; some have returned to Brazil (2004)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ja.html

I am watching this disaster very closely as I did Haiti and Katrina. There are myriad lessons to be learned in each one.

The first thing that rings true through all three disasters is the lack of rampaging hoards that everyone is concerned with. Yes, there is looting and yes there are probably some deaths in all three disasters associated with ne'er-do-wells (Japanese gangs are pretty ruthless, too) but there have not been any armed groups parading through town raping, pillaging and plundering. In almost all circumstances it has been stranger helping stranger.

The second truth is that regardless of how well you plan, multiple disasters will unravel your plan to the core. Even the Japanese, who are masters of disaster planning, failed to recognize that a tsunami would wipe out their back up generators at the nuclear plants. The lesson here is exercise your plan and do so often. Even if you table top your plan for an earthquake you should ask yourself, Okay, now what happens if I also have to contend with a fire, thunderstorm, severe winter weather, etc. If you plan for only one event then you will likely be caught by surprise just as the Japanese were.

I've told this story before but for the newbies: I once audited a center that had just completed a multi-million dollar disaster contingency upgrade. I walked through the facility asking questions and receiving some pretty good answers. When we got to the basement where the backup generator had been installed I asked what happens when the sump pump fails? Everyone just looked at one another. No backups had been put in place. It happens to the best of us.

**kyratshooter** · 03-13-2011, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

KY - You do know that if something devastating happened in a domestic reactor that 200 miles may not be enough. The Clinton plant in Illinois is situated just about right for prevailing winds to carry fallout into Kentucky. Add a low pressure or high pressure and your surface winds may become a threat depending on which side of the front you are.

Then you have to add in research reactors scattered across the country as well as those places that actually make the rods like the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant in Kentucky. They have about 10 Billion gallons of contaminated water stored on site as well as the fuel. Add to that the transportation sector that moves spent fuel to Yucca Mountain.

And I think the Kentucky Legislature just lifted the moratorium on nuclear reactors in Kentucky so.........................

No place is nuke safe, just like the "cold war" era threats. You look at those maps and compare them to the old estimates of bomb strikes. We have now placed them on ourselves. The Peducah site is one of the largest in the world. I would get fallout from MO as well as some of the IL sites. the way the jet stream flows over my area I am barely in the wind patterns from the north or south. Stuff usually goes north of me due to the flow pattern not being true west to east.

It is unlikely I would be in an evacuation zone, which at Chernobyl, was 30 km out from the blast site. They were getting 1 rem/hr that far out.

Our only hope is that the containment vessels are strong enough to hold when the enevitable happens. That is what saved 3Mile Island. The vessels in the Jap plants are not that thick or that strong. Chernobyl was even weaker than the Jap plants are.

I have to find some of that compressed underwear!

**hunter63** · 03-13-2011, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by greenbeetle

Great observation, AS. I saw some news reports last night commenting on this very thing- no looting!

I noticed the same thing, no body running down the street with big flat screen TV and cigarettes....Maybe they all have big flat screen TVs

**BENESSE** · 03-13-2011, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by hunter63

I noticed the same thing, no body running down the street with big flat screen TV and cigarettes....Maybe they all have big flat screen TVs

That has to be it! Or what else would be the reason?

**Rick** · 03-13-2011, 08:23 PM

I'll bet they don't even watch TV. If they did they would have known about the tsunami. They just make them and sell them to us. The next thing you know they'll be selling us watches.

**BENESSE** · 03-13-2011, 08:31 PM

Hey, on the fun side...
Just found out (not making this up) that Newt Gingrich cheated on his wife because he loves our country too much. (interview)
But I don't want to get political.