Building a new "Survival Rifle"

**Pal334** · 12-09-2010, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sourdough

It does not matter. If you use the correct lube. On our wolf hunting rifles we, wash everything in gasoline, and coat with Mobil 1 engine oil or diesel oil, and set it in a warm area and let it drain.

That is interesting. We did something similar in Vietnam, gas wash and scrub, dip in a barrel of oil and wipe it as dry as possible with rags. We did daily cleanings, so it did not collect too much dirt. I hope not to be in the kind of cold you guys are in, but will "file" that. Thanks

**Rick** · 12-09-2010, 09:21 PM

Does the gasoline strip the fouling out of the bore?

**Pal334** · 12-10-2010, 05:21 AM

We still had to bore brush them to clear fouling. It was used mostly to get rid of the horrible carbon build up

**dscrick** · 12-10-2010, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Sourdough

I am not sure if I want to continue this thread, or start a new thread. Maybe both.

So I have been switching a lot of parts between different H&R firearms. And here is the sad truth for me. Sad because I have made every effort to NOT come to this conclusion.

Conclusion: I can't beat a survivor stock & For-end with a .12 Gauge Barrel for a survival "ONLY" firearm.

Nothing is as light & Versatile
Nothing else shoots .12 ga. flares (Very-Very important to me)
Nothing else in a H&R single shot will stop a Brown Bear attack better.
Nothing else shoots 3 1/2" & 3" & 2 3/4" and those sweet 1 1/2" loads.

The ability to shoot flares and 1 1/2" (Slugs or #7 1/2 shot) shells really extends the versatility of this set-up for Alaska, Strictly for survival, NOT defense, NOT hunting.

I'll still have a very light weight .243 Winchester also, but it was folly to be cornered into a single application firearm for survival.

I think you hit it right on the head. As a pure survival weapon, the recipe you listed is hard to beat.

**aflineman** · 12-11-2010, 01:07 PM

My little 12ga H&R Survivor always gets time in the woods, pretty much all year long.
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This set-up rides in the truck/car most days, 20ga and a .357mag (soon to be .357MAX) barrel.
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The 12ga has got more birds than I can count. If I still had shotgun only areas, I would have no problem using it with slugs for deer.

Both break down small enough to go into a pack.

**hunter63** · 12-11-2010, 01:14 PM

Now that, my friend, is sweet!
Poster for "Survival Gun"
Ya gotta love those Handi's...............

**Sourdough** · 12-11-2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by aflineman

My little 12ga H&R Survivor always gets time in the woods, pretty much all year long.
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This set-up rides in the truck/car most days, 20ga and a .357mag (soon to be .357MAX) barrel.
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The 12ga has got more birds than I can count. If I still had shotgun only areas, I would have no problem using it with slugs for deer.

Both break down small enough to go into a pack.

What do you have up in the pistol/hand grip.......? And what keeps it there..?

**aflineman** · 12-11-2010, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sourdough

What do you have up in the pistol/hand grip.......? And what keeps it there..?

Just a couple of pieces of rolled-up Duct tape. It seems to stay there all on it's own, even under some very hard loads. The recoil pad has an old and cracked collar, so I have to tape there to reattach it as I need to. So far though, I have not needed to except for after my annual inventory/restock. It also now wears a wove paracord sling now (just like the 20ga in the other pic)

**Sourdough** · 12-11-2010, 02:05 PM

You have done a nice job.......do you have any 12 gauge flares......?

**aflineman** · 12-11-2010, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sourdough

You have done a nice job.......do you have any 12 gauge flares......?

Thanks.

I don't normally carry flares. This time of year they would be OK, most other times they would be a problem. The woods around here are tinder dry a good portion of the time.
I do however carry an electronic "glow" stick. Tie it on a string and twirl it over your head when it is dark (or darkish) out. Glowing circle that can be seen for miles. When I was a CAP cadet, we found a couple of folks that way. (Although in that era, they were using regular glow sticks)

**Gilmore** · 12-11-2010, 03:29 PM

The best survival rifle i have ever seen was on my first trip to Canada. Our camp owner had been having bear problems at the cabin we were staying at so he let us use his custom survival rifle. It was an over under .243 12 guage with a scope and see through sights. The iron sights were set to the 12 and the scope to the .243. it was an extremely cool gun and i would like to replicate it. the loads he used were very large grain .243 rounds and buckshot in the 12