Building a new "Survival Rifle"

[y2k]

In order to get maximum utility, you have to somehow be able to fire both a centerfire rd and .22lr, and you have to have rapidfire, too. The various 223autos with .22lr conversions do that really well. That is to say, 223 AK variants, the Mini-14 Ruger, the AR-15.

[Sourdough]

In order to get maximum utility, you have to somehow be able to fire both a centerfire rd and .22lr, and you have to have rapidfire, too. The various 223autos with .22lr conversions do that really well. That is to say, 223 AK variants, the Mini-14 Ruger, the AR-15.

Sorry But I fail to see how this post is relevent to the Original Post.......Do you mean Auto's or self-loaders.......?

[kyratshooter]

SD you know some folk can not say the words "survival gun" without visualizing an AK or M-16. It's like when someone says music I see a guitar and others visualize an MP3 player. I think it is an "old guy" thing.

One real nice advantage of the NEF or Rossi system is that one can buy the multi barrel system and stick the shotgun tube and a couple of shells in the backpack just to have the extra versitility.

I think at night, when the campfire burns low, an 18 inch 12 ga barrel with some #4 shot on that receiver would give me a warm fuzzy feeling while I sang kumbiya.

[Rick]

Is an MP3 like a banjo?

[crashdive123]

Is an MP3 like a banjo?

I thought it was an army guy that wore an armband and carried a billy club.

[Rick]

Oh. 3 of them? I get it.

[hunter63]

In order to get maximum utility, you have to somehow be able to fire both a centerfire rd and .22lr, and you have to have rapidfire, too. The various 223autos with .22lr conversions do that really well. That is to say, 223 AK variants, the Mini-14 Ruger, the AR-15.

I guess I have to ask....Why?

[aflineman]

In order to get maximum utility, you have to somehow be able to fire both a centerfire rd and .22lr, and you have to have rapidfire, too. The various 223autos with .22lr conversions do that really well. That is to say, 223 AK variants, the Mini-14 Ruger, the AR-15.

I guess I have to ask....Why?

+1, I would also ask why.

I would never feel undergunned with just my 12ga H&R Survivor. Nor my 20ga/.357 combo NEF (two barrels). Nor even any of my Savage Model 24s. I own military rifles, and have used many styles all over the world. I still prefer my 12ga H&R for most survival situation I would envision. A .223 auto rifle really does not have as much of a place in my fold of "survival rifles" as say even a .30-30 lever action would.

[oldsoldier]

In order to get maximum utility, you have to somehow be able to fire both a centerfire rd and .22lr, and you have to have rapidfire, too. The various 223autos with .22lr conversions do that really well. That is to say, 223 AK variants, the Mini-14 Ruger, the AR-15.

Have to agree with hunter and AF here.... HUH???? Also I've never heard of a .223 AK.... Have I missed something? Is there a new toy I missed?

[hunter63]

Have to agree with hunter and AF here.... HUH???? Also I've never heard of a .223 AK.... Have I missed something? Is there a new toy I missed?

I have seen some conversions, but failed to see the point?
Trying to think of the name.........
But,
AK, 7.62 x 39, why convert?
AR .223, lots of uppers avalible if that isn't your round of choice.

Of course if you just ran out of stuff on your "life, want list", Hey, go for it.

[dscrick]

My thread about my survival kit shotgun:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ead.php?t=1545

[hunter63]

My thread about my survival kit shotgun:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ead.php?t=1545

I did go back and review as I'm a big fan of the NEF/H&R myself.
Your points are still valid.
I guess I'm too cheap to invest in the survival stock set up, but the stock mounting screw hole will fit 4, 2-2/4 shot shells under the recoil pad.

Or anything that is the same size. Does add stock weight.

[y2k]

but the .22lr unit for the AR-15 offers cheap, quiet practice, quiet foraging of small game. 223 is a bit much for squirrels, 22 is a bit light for deer..223 handles deer ok, to 100m or so, if using 60 gr Nosler Partition sp's

[kyratshooter]

but the .22lr unit for the AR-15 offers cheap, quiet practice, quiet foraging of small game. 223 is a bit much for squirrels, 22 is a bit light for deer..223 handles deer ok, to 100m or so, if using 60 gr Nosler Partition sp's

But,but, but, but, but I don't like AR rifles and I can buy four of anything else for the same money as an AR and .22 adapter.

I also do not care for fat chicks with no teeth, even if they have big boobs. You can have all of them you want, just don't expect me to tell you she should be working for Victoria Secret

[Rick]

You are so going to heck or the ER, depending on how bad the next chubby chick beats up on you.

For the record, I like all women even those that look like men. (will that clear me?)

Oh, and Michael Jackson, same thing.

[y2k]

what can you buy for $200? A .22 ONLY. A single shot NEF, maybe with a shotgun barrel. I can get a stripped RRA lower for under $140, shipped thru a local dealer, from GunsAmerica.com. I can assemble the lower parts in an hour. I can get an assembled upper from Model1Sales for $500, and a mag for $10. I can get the .22 unit for $150. Total $800, and I have a rifle with which I can win matches, defend myself, take big or small game. You can't do 3 of those 4 things with any bolt action or single shot rifle. :-) If you get a short-barreled version, with a telescoping stock, and shtf, you can always conceal it in a backpack, or slung under your arm, under a coat. Or, pay the $200 tax and you'll have that option today. The AR offers a return to zero scope mount, "see thru" scope mounts, rustproof finish, ease of cleaning in the field, ease of barrel and bolt replacement, luminous iron sights, protected iron sights, a host of other "combat-related" things that sometimes help with foraging, and which you can't get or do with any bolt action, and with no other autoloaders, either,(much of it, at least). You can get an ambi-safety, GREAT 'drop in" trigger jobs, cheekpcs, bullet drop compensators, tracer ammo, etc, etc. There's nothing like it for versatility.

[y2k]

Maybe you don't "like" having to breathe, eat, etc, either. The fact is, tho, that a bolt action is NOT much in the way of versatile, and it's just not feasible to carry more than one longarm. So, if you want to play games, and waste your time and money, go for it. I post for the people who need to learn, not for those who aren't interested in learning,.

[Rick]

Me thinks you post to hear yourself talk.

[finallyME]

Obviously, someone doesn't know how to use a bolt action properly. They also don't know the capabilities of a bolt action.

[Pal334]

but the .22lr unit for the AR-15 offers cheap, quiet practice, quiet foraging of small game. 223 is a bit much for squirrels, 22 is a bit light for deer..223 handles deer ok, to 100m or so, if using 60 gr Nosler Partition sp's

Not sure how this squares with your profound advocacy of the .22 as a bear defense / killer catridge