Survival Weapon

[Rick]

I ran across the Kel-Tec break down weapon. It's a .223 (5.56mm) and is 26.4 inches folded up. I'd never heard of them. Maybe you have:

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16a.html

Here's a write up on them:

http://www.equipped.org/Kel-Tec_SU-16_Review.htm

[Last Mohican]

Oooh, I like that.

I'll have to see if I get one for my birthday in a couple of months.

[Sourdough]

The SHOT show is this weekend. Lots of new stuff. Go to: gunblast.com click on 2008 shot show.

[dilligaf2u2]

Cute but it is a .223. Where is the knockdown power. When they make it in 7.62 Nato, I'll seriously look at them.

Don

[Sam]

I thought the .223 was good for anything up deer? I use hollow point ammo, does the job
OK.

[RBB]

My question would be - how tempermental is it? Does it need to be cleaned as often as an M-16? Or as often as an AK-47?

I own both, and the AK-47 is not very accurate - but it always works. The M-16 is more accurate, but needs to be cleaned every time you use it to ensure continued operation. With guns of this caliber, I believe I prefer the Ruger Mini-14.

[dilligaf2u2]

If you are a good shot and you hit a deer right with it. Yes a .223 will take deer with a single shot.

I have an M-21. 7.62 with a Lika scope. I can take deer or elk with it from a great distance. It will back up a grizzly with the first shot and stop him cold with a head shot. Try that with a .223.

If that does not work? I will go get the 450 Weatherby or the M-85 out. But it better be a mean bear for me to waist a second shot.

I am not saying the .223 does not have its place. I just rather do the job with one shot then have to fire off 2 or 3 or 4 to do the job.

Don

[Sam]

If I go far enough out to see a bear I have a 12ga. w/3in slugs. I have not had a bear problem yet. Hope I don't.

[Beo]

The Kel-Tec break down weapon is one of those cheap weapons like High Point Firearms makes, it works and throws lead but the accuracy is not all that good, we (the Sheriff's Office) tested both the Kel-Tec and High Point Carbine as well and found the High Point better but lacking in accuracy and muzzle velocity (knock down power). The SU-16 (the one Rick is talking about) is a gas operated, self-loading rifle in .223 Remington caliber. Several unique features make the SU-16 a versatile sporting firearm. They also make the SUB-2000 a self-loading carbine for pistol cartridges. Different versions of the SUB-2000 will accept most modern handgun magazines.
The SU-16: After the first 450 rounds of .223, these rifles should have been pretty gunked up, but they were not. Since this is not a direct gas system, the expended gas and most of the residue go out the barrel or the gas port in the front. Very little gets into the bolt area. Most of the residue was easily cleaned. I cleaned the bores with Break-Free CLP every ten rounds, for the first 300 rounds, to break in the barrels, and then again at the end of the first firing session. After that I simply wiped down the insides and away we went again for another range session. Both models of the SU-16 can be folded down to about 27 inches by 7.5 inches. The Bravo model folds up nicely into my CamelBak HAWG pack and is ready anytime for a daily hike in the woods. It does not appear I am carrying a rifle, certainly not one in .223 caliber. The Alpha model is not much bigger. Both are easily stored in a back pack or day bag of the right size.
The Kel-Tec SU-16 rifle is light and uses a good, all-around intermediate cartridge which is easily obtained and a joy to shoot. It is also easy for the shooter to absorb the recoil, making it better suited for a woman than a shotgun or a heavier rifle in a survival scenario. Its most desirable feature is that it folds up and can be carried in a back pack or stowed away under a seat without getting in the way of other gear. Add to this an integral set of bi-pod legs and a flat top receiver with a picatinny rail system for mounting scopes and sights and you have a real winner. It is available in all 50 states, including California. The Treker in me says this is my new "ride." The Range Master in me says I would have no problem allowing this rifle to be carried on duty as a patrol rifle. What more could anyone say? Kel-Tec also has a line of accessories and several different variants with everything from a shorter barrel to a heavier barrel, better sights, parkerized barrels, and different colors such as OD green, coyote, and black. The "Charlie" model boosts a folding stock which still allows the shooter to still fire the rifle, though this stock is not legal in California.
We kept the M16 and the MP5 anyway.

[BatCat]

Depends on what your surviving. I would think in a true survival situation small animals and birds are going to be the main staple meat source. Larger animals are rarer. So, in that a 22 would work. You can carry alot of ammo and it's quiet. If your surviving people go with something your trained in or very comfortable with. For me the Ar-15. Familar, accurate, dependable, can carry alot of ammo, does the job.

I have an M6 Scout in 22 Hornet/410 in Stainless. It took a caribou in Alaska once (A survival story I'll tell someday). The 410 worked for ptarmigan, and it'll fire a slug with a fair degree of accuracy.

I'm also a fan of the AR-15. With the right load you can take large game with a well placed shot.

Its true that most of your hunting/trapping should be focused on small game. I took one of my survival hikes in Idaho a few years back, and kept fed with ground squirrels caught in snares (DON't use surplus booby trap wire; it can fail miserably...Another mad squirrel survival story I can tell one day )


BatCat

[Rick]

MSRP is $665.00 for the 16A model.

[BatCat]

Gunbroker.com has one for $454.95 Buy it now. Seems reasonable. I do like the breakdown feature. The ammo is readily available and cheap.

Here's another one...Scope and all goes with it


http://http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=91610734




BatCat

[BatCat]

Bad link! Bad link! Now go to your kennel. Go on.

Link works....Did I do something wrong?



BatCat

[Sourdough]

Rock River has just shipped the first shipment of LAR 8's. Mine should arrive in Anchorage today, ain't been to town in 7 weeks, so tomorrow I get to go see humans. And pick up my Christmas present, from me to me. And food so I don't have to eat Poodle Pie.

[Sourdough]

Merry Christmas hopeak ! Is that in 6.8 ?

No....It is .308 winchester (7.62 NATO). I have two 6.8 SPC AR-15's one is a pistol with a 10" barrel other is 16". I am getting the BATF&E tax stamp ($200.00) and converting the pistol to a SBR (Short Barrel Rifle). www.rockriverarms.com

[zaebra]

i can't speak to this particular gun, but one of my first guns ever was a Kel-Tec 9mm subcompact, and i hated it. the recoil is so horrendous that the trigger guard numbed your finger after about 5 shots. i don't know if that's a fault of all plastic-frame subcompacts, but i personally sold that gun after putting less than one box of ammo through it.

i own an armalite ar-7 scout .22 rifle and absolutely love it. of course, i love my 1911 more, but it's hardly a survival-type gun. i'd take the ar-7 any day.

just my two cents!

[Sourdough]

I have a rough idea what I am doing. If you want a thrill, I have a 3 1/4 Pound .12 Gage that fires a 3 1/2" shell, it will in a mega-second remove all meat from the finger behind the trigger guard. And if that don't rock your world I have handguns that will and have broken forearms.

[Sam]

Hey Bat Cat, I got a question for you about the M-6. I heard on this site that the company does not make them any more. Do you have a line on them? I ask because you have one.

[Rick]

Hey, call me crazy here, Hopeak. But isn't the idea to hurt the guy on the end with the hole in it? I have a DeerSlayer 12 ga. that I hunted with as a kid. It's knocked me down a time or two and sat my brother down a time or three. It's hanging over the fireplace. I call it Bob Hope. You know, thanks for the memories.

[BatCat]

Hey Bat Cat, I got a question for you about the M-6. I heard on this site that the company does not make them any more. Do you have a line on them? I ask because you have one.

Theyre definitely not being made anymore. I've had mine for about 15 years now.

This site says they have them in stock


http://www.bodermansports.com/Firear.../m6_scout.html


Its a sweet rifle. The M6 is fully capable of taking deer sized game with the 22 Hornet (I used it to take a caribou in a real world survival situation once in AK, but thats another story)


Hope you find one


BatCat