FBI raids....

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Starting last night, it seems that some militia groups may be the Targets. Some Militia sites have "Gone down" due to "servers down". Not much that is being said on the National news agencies. However the local stations are trying to report it. Right now it seems to be just Michigan and Ohio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyak-...layer_embedded

[pocomoonskyeyes]

More info.........

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...-location.html

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/arti...3435821346.txt

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Massi...MUdtOLzvw.cspx

[crashdive123]

I've heard reported (with almost no details) on TV. It is not unsual for small local news agencies to pick up stories like this before the big guys. These types of operations by law enforcement are not broadcast in advance (well, unless......ah heck, nevermind) so the local folks, where the operations are taking place will typically find out first. Once they report things, then others will pick up on the story.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

It is apparently all over the web. From the site I found this at, there are several other Forums reporting this. Some of which I had never heard of. One report says Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana. So it seems to be fairly large.

[Pal334]

While I am a supporter of the individuals rights, and right to bear arms. If these are in fact militia groups, then they are apparently one of the fringe groups. And they are a real danger. I did notice one comment on the You Tube presentation, stating that Militias were not Terrorist organizations, and I would agree to that in most circumstances. However any group that advocates altering or influencing a government or group of people by violence, threat of violence or intimidation is in fact and by definition a terrorist organization. It will be interesting to see how this developes

[pocomoonskyeyes]

While I am a supporter of the individuals rights, and right to bear arms. If these are in fact militia groups, then they are apparently one of the fringe groups. And they are a real danger. I did notice one comment on the You Tube presentation, stating that Militias were not Terrorist organizations, and I would agree to that in most circumstances. However any group that advocates altering or influencing a government or group of people by violence, threat of violence or intimidation is in fact and by definition a terrorist organization. It will be interesting to see how this developes

Agreed. I say the street gangs would also fall into this category, and break more laws, but the FBI isn't raiding them??

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Apparently it has been picked up by FOX now.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28...ivity-midwest/

[Pal334]

Agreed. I say the street gangs would also fall into this category, and break more laws, but the FBI isn't raiding them??

Around here, they are hammering them pretty hard ( I guess it is a matter of local priorities). But I agree with you, both are a real problem, just "stylized" punks. But I do want to make sure that it is understood that with militias, I am referring to the ones that are going over the edge and not the peaceful groups (which seem to be the majority)

[pocomoonskyeyes]

I just think that some of these gangs like MS13 (16?) are International, not a bunch of "Local Bullies". I just think that they would be a MUCH higher Priority due to the International aspect.

[tacmedic]

All that these stories say is that "people have been arrested." They don't say why, or who, or how many. Seems like jumping to conclusions to me.

[Rick]

I'm sure glad I have no weapons or ammunition of any kind. I need to log off now. I have to go press and fold the American flag.

[crashdive123]

Aparantly one of the raids was conducted on a group that calls themselves Hutaree. I will not provide a link (nor should anybody else). They are easy to find on google. I spent some time reading their forum and viewing their videos. If this group is typical of what the feds are targeting - I say well done! What took you so long?

[Pal334]

Tacmedic
All that these stories say is that "people have been arrested." They don't say why, or who, or how many. Seems like jumping to conclusions to me.


Did we read the same articles?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28...ivity-midwest/

Arrests Made in Alleged Militia Activity in Midwest

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Massi...MUdtOLzvw.cspx

raids around Adrian that may be connected to a militia group.

[Ole WV Coot]

Well, I don't like any law passed lately. I have a strong dislike for the majority of our fine leaders from the top down to the local mayor. If I was more ambitious I guess I would find a firearm somewhere and be a militia of one.

[Rick]

If you look at the video on their website one thing strikes me. They are all outfitted the same, using what appears to be automatic weapons and tossing a lot of smoke grenades. That equates to a lot of coins. One has to conclude that they are pretty well funded. You can't help but wonder how far reaching their organization really is.

[Pal334]

What I have been able to find out( on the web) about them thus far reinforces my first reaction. A "private army" such as this has no place in our society. Preparedness is one thing, this is another animal entirely.

[Rick]

It just proves that fanatical Muslims aren't the only folks we need to worry about. I guess they threatened Muslims and that's what got the plugged pulled on them. Just what I've read.

I'm all for protecting my turf but there has to be a line you don't cross. The truly scary part to me is there is a lot of "stuff" going on right now and it ranges all across the board. From tea parties to militia. It's clear Americans are tired of today's America and want their country back. At least that's the way it looks to me.

[crashdive123]

Looking at their forum I could see zero difference between them and radical Islamists.

[BENESSE]

It just proves that fanatical Muslims aren't the only folks we need to worry about. I guess they threatened Muslims and that's what got the plugged pulled on them. Just what I've read.

I'm all for protecting my turf but there has to be a line you don't cross. The truly scary part to me is there is a lot of "stuff" going on right now and it ranges all across the board. From tea parties to militia. It's clear Americans are tired of today's America and want their country back. At least that's the way it looks to me.

A lot of us are tired of what's going on but it's the loons
that take it to an extreme.

[Pal334]

Looking at their forum I could see zero difference between them and radical Islamists.

Nor do they seem to have any tolerance for anyone that does not agree with them. That "just ain't right" and it is not the country I served for so many years