Congress Approved Health Care Bill

[Rick]

if you paid your taxes and such this year

Taxes! I knew I forgot something!

[Sarge47]

Remember that "Exec. order?"
http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/...-proclimation/

White House official told Fox, Obama will not sign the Executive Order Tuesday and has set no specific date to do so. Stupak predicted Obama would sign the order later this week. The White House said only that Obama would sign the order "soon."<<<
Also, (not verified) I'm hearing that
Stupak got a nice bribe to change his vote: approx $750,000 in
airport renovation money and the promise of an Obama EO that has NO
weight as law.

Good luck with your political future STUPE!

[LostOutrider]

White House official told Fox, Obama will not sign the Executive Order Tuesday and has set no specific date to do so.

Oh, to be fair and balanced -

Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

(AP) – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama plans to sign an executive order Wednesday reaffirming long-standing restrictions on federal funding of abortion.

The order is part of an agreement with Democratic abortion opponents in the House that brought them over to Obama's side and pushed the health care bill over the top.

Obama has invited members of the Democrats' anti-abortion bloc, including its leader, Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan, to the private afternoon signing at the White House.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


also:

CNN's LIVE Blog

(CNN) – President Obama will sign an executive order Wednesday that ensures that existing limits on the federal funding of abortion remain in place under the new health care overhaul law.

Unlike the signing of the health care bill into law Tuesday, which was conducted under the glare of media cameras, the event Wednesday will be closed to the news media.

It will be attended by Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan and 12 of his anti-abortion Democratic House colleagues, without whose help the landmark overhaul bill would not have passed, political observers say.

The White House said the executive order reaffirms longstanding restrictions on the federal funding of abortion in the new law.

[crashdive123]

Oh, to be fair and balanced -

Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

(AP) – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama plans to sign an executive order Wednesday reaffirming long-standing restrictions on federal funding of abortion.

The order is part of an agreement with Democratic abortion opponents in the House that brought them over to Obama's side and pushed the health care bill over the top.

Obama has invited members of the Democrats' anti-abortion bloc, including its leader, Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan, to the private afternoon signing at the White House.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Cute, the way you continue with comments like "fair & balanced". Very transparent, but none the less ........ Since you quoted some Wiki in response to my comment that a Presidential Executive Order cannot override law....

Here's some Wiki back atcha: Until the 1950s, there were no rules or guidelines outlining what the president could or could not do through an Executive Order. However, the Supreme Court ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 US 579 (1952) that Executive Order 10340 from President Harry S. Truman placing all steel mills in the country under federal control was invalid because it attempted to make law, rather than clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution. Presidents since this decision have generally been careful to cite which specific laws they are acting under when issuing new Executive Orders.

Since it has been ruled that the EO cannot be used to make law, wouldn't it stand to reason that it cannot be used to change (in effect making) law?

[LostOutrider]

Cute, the way you continue with comments like "fair & balanced".

Your partiality is showing, crash. Fox is a well-known heavily right-leaning source of information as evidenced by their slow response time in updating anything that could be seen as a positive take on the situation - thus misleading our good Sarge.

Executive orders get things done without the necessity of it being a law first. I personally don't like it - but that doesn't change their effectiveness.

[Sarge47]

Know how you can tell when a politician is lying?(this includes presidents!) Their lips are moving!

Hey STUPE! I gotta watch I wanna sell ya! BTW, does the name: "Nevile Chamberlain" mean anything to ya?

Can somebody say "Political Suicide?"

[Sarge47]

....thus misleading our good Sarge.

I prefer Fox over MSNBC & CNN, they lean the other way!

[LostOutrider]

I prefer Fox over MSNBC & CNN, they lean the other way!

There's always a lean, no matter where you get your information. Where it bothers me is when it leads to misinformation (or tactically delayed information). That is why I don't trust NPR as my primary news source . . . or, really, any one spot as my primary news source.

[crashdive123]

Your partiality is showing, crash. Fox is a well-known heavily right-leaning source of information as evidenced by their slow response time in updating anything that could be seen as a positive take on the situation - thus misleading our good Sarge.

Executive orders get things done without the necessity of it being a law first. I personally don't like it - but that doesn't change their effectiveness.

I find the criticisms against Fox News to be humorous. By fair and balanced, I take it to mean that they show both sides of an issue in their news reporting. Yes, I am a regular viewer. Regarding the health care debate, both sides were presented. The slant that has everybody's knickers in a bunch is from some of their opinion show hosts. I also watch CNN and MSNBC. No bias in their opinion reporting is there?

You are correct in that EO's can get things done without the necessity of it being a law first. However, and EO cannot be used to strike down a law. Since the health care bill was signed into law, an EO cannot be used to over turn a portion of it. Would you like to make a friendly wager of a contribution to DOC on whether or not the EO, once signed and challenged in the courts, gets over turned?

[LostOutrider]

I'd not make any wager that any law is immune from being challenged and overturned. The court hasn't overturned Roe v. Wade yet, so I can imagine how they'd act on this. The tables will turn again and the Repubs will take back control, eventually, and in the same way the Dems tried to clean house after Dubya - the Repubs will try to clean house after Obama.

There is a loud enough anti-abortion voice in America, though, in both Democrat-leaning and Republican-leaning voters that I trust the voters to put in lawmakers who will find another way to get something done that they feel is necessary.

Just like they did this last election.

[BENESSE]

BTW...did you know that in the beginning, the govt was worried about people being too educated? They wanted to educate people just enough that they would be better workers, in the "new" industrial age. They were afraid that if they educated people too much, they wouldn't want to work in the factories.

Well, they got their wish in spades. The worst of both worlds.
The worst educated kids in the civilized world who grow into adults with self inflated worth and little marketable skills
for ANY age--agricultural, industrial or otherwise.
Seems the only thing left to keep us the BMOC in the world is the military.

[LostOutrider]

I find the criticisms against Fox News to be humorous. By fair and balanced, I take it to mean

Address where my post was incorrect and I'll concede that I misinterpreted their balance and fairness and admit that I should've just let that article stand for a few more pages of 'bama bashin'. Or, if you're just pointing out that I amuse you then I am glad to have brightened your day. I'm like a fresh cup of coffee that way.

[BENESSE]

Because you have a choice. You have a choice to move to a school district of your choosing (happens all the time). You have the choice to send your children to private school. You have the choice to home school. I don't believe it is analogous because with the new law, your choices are gone. Also, looking at public education - there are some great schools and great teachers, many of which are unsung heroes. Sadly, as in any industry, there are bad ones too. Unfortunately, it has been proven difficult with the government run system to get rid of the bad ones. No necessarily impossible, but difficult. How would that work with a government run health care system? Additionally - when a school system is failing - what is the answer we usually see? Throw more mone at it. I haven't looked at the numbers for a while, but some of the worst performing school districts in the country are spending the highest dollar amount per student. Those are a few things that come to mind.

I was merely arguing that the two are analogous as rights in broad terms, not this particular Healtcare bill vs. Public Education.
The fact that I don't like anything about this bill doesn't negate the need for some form of Public Healthcare.
And as an aside...not everyone has children but everyone will at some point in their lives have health issues.
So why wouldn't Public Healthcare trump Public Education?

[Rick]

Why is it one or the other?

The last time the WHO did a world health care ranking was in 2000. At that time, they ranked the U.S. 37th. That's out of 191 members countries. We were the most expensive, however. The reason costs were so high, according to them, is:

1. Cost of medical technology
2. Cost of prescription drugs
3. Cost of administration brought about by the multiple payer system we have.

They estimated that between 19% and 24% went directly to administrative costs.

Another driver, although less contributory, is the move to income generating hospitals. For-profit hospitals increased 34%.

On education, UNICEF ranked the U.S. at number 18 for 15 year olds. That was back in 2002. Canada was #4 and Britain was #7. So I guess that makes Red Lake smarter than me. Oh, wait. I'm not 15. Never mind, he's not.

[Ken]

I'm like a fresh cup of coffee that way.

I'll stick to the things I know I can rely on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7EtW9tnB8g

[roar-k]

I tried looking through this thread and a few others for this video, but I might have missed it. If it has been posted pardon me for re-posting it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8

Those of you that have already done research on the matter may know what is covered in the video, but I for one am trying to read more up on it and found this video to be quite disturbing.

I am more or less trying to verify what is being stated in the video. If another would be so inclined as to verify as well I would appreciate it.

[Ken]

Good link. Thanks!

[Alaskan Survivalist]

It sure is nice to have a variety of news so everybody can hear what the kind of news want. I wish it was as simple as just changing channels.

[Rick]

I just read that the bill was signed with 22 pens that would go, mostly, the the Demo leadership.

VP to Pres - "That's a lot of @#$#$ pens."

Okay, that last part was a parody. Really. I think.

[Trabitha]

I tried looking through this thread and a few others for this video, but I might have missed it. If it has been posted pardon me for re-posting it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8

Those of you that have already done research on the matter may know what is covered in the video, but I for one am trying to read more up on it and found this video to be quite disturbing.

I am more or less trying to verify what is being stated in the video. If another would be so inclined as to verify as well I would appreciate it.

I've had that on my favorites list for some time now and have gone through the bill when I have the time to verify. I'm not finished going through the video yet, but I've yet to find a discrepancy.

I wonder if anyone here has brought this up though...Did you know that this bill will eliminate student loans from the private sector? All private sector student loans will now shift to the Federal government. I've paid off all my private sector student loans because they all worked with me to bring my rates down when I was having issues with paying them back. I've been paying my one and only Government student loan for more than 12 years now because they REFUSE to lower my 9+% interest rate. If this happens, I don't know about you, but there will be no way my child will ever be able to afford to pay back his loans when he goes to college!

In short they took over 1/7th of the US economy by taking over healthcare, and billions of dollars from the private banking system on TOP of what they did to Medicare and Medicaid.

I don't know about you guys...but it's beginning to feel like we're all living in a pressure cooker and SOMEONE is going to snap, setting off what could turn into another revolution if this bill isn't changed and changed quick.