Home defense

**Beo** · 10-26-2009, 01:21 PM

I got news for ya, any shotgun that is sawed off shorter than 16 inches is illeagel in all 50 states.
To get immediately to the heart of the matter, based on long personal experience, I generally have little use for a shotgun with a barrel less than 28 inches long for hunting flying game (upland or waterfowl), or for shooting aerial targets ("clay pigeons").
The Law:
The National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. § Section 5845(a)(2) defines the term "firearm" to include, as relevant here, "a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length is Illegal. Violating the law results in a $2,000 fine, 5 years imprisonment, or both.

**aflineman** · 10-26-2009, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

I got news for ya, any shotgun that is sawed off shorter than 16 inches is illeagel in all 50 states.
The Law:
The National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. § Section 5845(a)(2) defines the term "firearm" to include, as relevant here, "a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length is Illegal. Violating the law results in a $2,000 fine, 5 years imprisonment, or both.

Unless your state allows it and you jump through a few hoops; plus pay a $200 tax to the ATF. (Then wait, and wait, and wait for said tax stamp). But, if it is cap & Ball, you don't have to even do that (as long as local laws allow).

**Pal334** · 10-26-2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

I got news for ya, any shotgun that is sawed off shorter than 16 inches is illeagel in all 50 states.
To get immediately to the heart of the matter, based on long personal experience, I generally have little use for a shotgun with a barrel less than 28 inches long for hunting flying game (upland or waterfowl), or for shooting aerial targets ("clay pigeons").
The Law:
The National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. § Section 5845(a)(2) defines the term "firearm" to include, as relevant here, "a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length is Illegal. Violating the law results in a $2,000 fine, 5 years imprisonment, or both.

Not really news. Just pay the tax and you are in business. Makes a handy dandy little tool. Otherwise 18 inch does a fine job as a HD shotgun

**glockcop** · 10-27-2009, 06:05 AM

18'' barrel is the min legal NFA legnth w/o tax for a Shotgun. 16'' barrel for a rifle. Both must be a min of 26'' total legnth. Clearing up some confusion out there. DO NOT violate. The Feds don't play around with this! Best.

**Beo** · 10-27-2009, 09:33 AM

True just ask Randy Weaver of the Ruby Ridge incident, took place around the same time as Wacco and that nut job. He sold an undercover agent a shotgun with a barrel length just shy of 16 inches making the total just shy of 26, we're talking less than a half inch and got popped for it, then the whole incident blew up into the Ruby Ridge thing.

**TangoFoxtrot** · 11-17-2009, 07:58 PM

Home defense is an Rem. 870 and the stones to pull the trigger!

**AVENGED** · 11-19-2009, 04:55 PM

Just Rig The Plane With Gas To Put Everyone To Sleep.

**dscrick** · 11-19-2009, 07:20 PM

9 rounds out the dangerous end in less than 2 seconds

Bennelli M1 Super 90

**crashdive123** · 11-19-2009, 09:36 PM

Dang Shipmate - you need to practice so that the first round hits its mark.

**dscrick** · 11-20-2009, 08:45 AM

Crash is correct, A hit is worth a thousand misses (I can hit BTW).

But hey, sometimes you just need to lay down some suppressive fire!

**crashdive123** · 11-20-2009, 09:54 AM

Second Bad Guy to Third Bad Guy: Holy Moley! What's he doing now?

Third Bad Guy to Second Bad Guy: Reloading! Run!

**Batch** · 11-22-2009, 05:41 PM

Sig P226 in .40 by the bed. Use that as a time buyer to get to my Mossberg 590.

I might have to rethink my system though. I got a new born granddaughter. So I'll have to figure out something for when she gets mobile.

Anybody, got a system that involves small kids in the house?

**Rick** · 11-22-2009, 05:55 PM

In my pocket when they are around. Put up and locked otherwise. There is just no way to be too careful.....if I had any, of course.

**xj2000** · 11-25-2009, 08:05 PM

I keep close by at home a Winchester 1300 18inch barrel shotty, with a folding pistol grip stock and a flashlight mounted to the mag. Many would argue the effectiveness of a shotgun for home defense, but I'm a big fan of shotguns. But I also keep a mag loaded for my AR just in case.