Fundamentally change the country

**SARKY** · 10-09-2009, 01:36 PM

I know that we aren't supposed to be political, but I have to ask the question. Is anyone comfortable with the people that the president has surrounded himself with? and the changes that may be imposed upon us?

**Rick** · 10-09-2009, 01:40 PM

Which administration?

**2dumb2kwit** · 10-09-2009, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by SARKY

I know that we aren't supposed to be political, but I have to ask the question. Is anyone comfortable with the people that the president has surrounded himself with? and the changes that may be imposed upon us?

NO!
I'm really looking forward to November 2010 and 2012!

**Ken** · 10-09-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by SARKY

I know that we aren't supposed to be political, but I have to ask the question. Is anyone comfortable with the people that the president has surrounded himself with? and the changes that may be imposed upon us?

NO!
I'm really looking forward to November 2010 and 2012!

There may be an echo in here.........

**Sourdough** · 10-09-2009, 02:36 PM

I think it is time "WE" stop blaming leaders......and stop hoping they will save us from ourselves, Stop expecting that they will (can) somehow make it better.

The "Joy Ride" is over, it is Our own fault. The sooner you get wrapped around the idea that the best day of your life way yesterday, the firmer ground you will be on to move forward.......I don't like it either. But the rate of change in the world will accelerate from here forward.

**Pal334** · 10-09-2009, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Sourdough

I think it is time "WE" stop blaming leaders......and stop hoping they will save us from ourselves, Stop expecting that they will (can) somehow make it better.

The "Joy Ride" is over, it is Our own fault. The sooner you get wrapped around the idea that the best day of your life way yesterday, the firmer ground you will be on to move forward.......I don't like it either. But the rate of change in the world will accelerate from here forward.

True, we should act with our vote to get a different type of representative in office. Can they change everything "back", no, and nor should we or they think we should,but they could lend some sanity. I have to respectfully disagree "the best day of your life way yesterday" every tomorrow is the best day of my life for one reason or another. I choose not to surrender a dream that I have for my kids and grandkids. Am I urinating into the wind? Perhaps, but I will go down trying

**Rick** · 10-09-2009, 03:29 PM

and getting me wet I might add. Could you turn toward 2Dumb a bit more? Thank you.

**Sourdough** · 10-09-2009, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Pal334

True, we should act with our vote to get a different type of representative in office. Can they change everything "back", no, and nor should we or they think we should,but they could lend some sanity. I have to respectfully disagree "the best day of your life way yesterday" every tomorrow is the best day of my life for one reason or another. I choose not to surrender a dream that I have for my kids and grandkids. Am I urinating into the wind? Perhaps, but I will go down trying

The whole world is going through what America went through in the 60's and it very near destroyed America. The next twenty years will see all people of the earth demanding equality and freedom. Your quality of life is derived at least in part, via the suppression of and exploitation of other people around the world who make things for us cheap, and accept "I Owe You's", or military machinery in trade. As this unravels, your children will have to either work harder, or accept a lower quality of life. My guess is a LOT of both.

**Pal334** · 10-09-2009, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

and getting me wet I might add. Could you turn toward 2Dumb a bit more? Thank you.

Had alot of coffee today, plenty for all

**Pal334** · 10-09-2009, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sourdough

The whole world is going through what America went through in the 60's and it very near destroyed America. The next twenty years will see all people of the earth demanding equality and freedom. Your quality of life is derived at least in part, via the suppression of and exploitation of other people around the world who make things for us cheap, and accept "I Owe You's", or military machinery in trade. As this unravels, your children will have to either work harder, or accept a lower quality of life. My guess is a LOT of both.

I agree there will be changes. The only constant in life is change. Does not mean that I am going to sit on the sidelines and just accept whatever %^&*( is shoved at me and mine without complete and total participation in the process of government. Those that sit by and just accept what is doled out without participating in the Democratic process are fools

**doug1980** · 10-09-2009, 04:00 PM

I better keep my mouth shut and avoid this thread.

It will just get me in trouble as always.

**oldsoldier** · 10-09-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit

NO!
I'm really looking forward to November 2010 and 2012!

**Sourdough** · 10-09-2009, 04:08 PM

If you want to know what is coming look to Oct. 1929 through 1949; We are going to have to balance the gluttony of the last period 1985 through the fall of 2008, which was a period of fraudulent consumption. There is little the leaders can do. Just as there was nothing Japan has been able to do from 1989 to 2009 but pay of the gluttony, With no growth, stagnant economy, and zombie banks, and a gradual erosion of the quality of life.

**Pal334** · 10-09-2009, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Sourdough

If you want to know what is coming look to Oct. 1929 through 1949; We are going to have to balance the gluttony of the last period 1985 through the fall of 2008, which was a period of fraudulent consumption. There is little the leaders can do. Just as there was nothing Japan has been able to do from 1989 to 2009 but pay of the gluttony, With no growth, stagnant economy, and zombie banks, and a gradual erosion of the quality of life.

Are you advocating giving up and not trying?

**Ken** · 10-09-2009, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Pal334

Am I urinating into the wind? Perhaps, but I will go down trying

Originally Posted by Rick

and getting me wet I might add. Could you turn toward 2Dumb a bit more? Thank you.

Originally Posted by Pal334

Had alot of coffee today, plenty for all

Here you have it, folks. Pal has dedication and perserverance, and Rick points out the best of all possible directions to "go" in.

**Sourdough** · 10-09-2009, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Pal334

Are you advocating giving up and not trying?

We are in Deep, Deep, Deep Sh!t. If the the world leaders had any semi-easy way out they would be doing it. If you really want to do something positive, advocate that they tell the people, the truth about where we REALLY are, and how we got here, and what it is going to take to get out. The truth is ALL of our Banks are bankrupt, The FDIC is banckrupt, most of the states are bankrupt, America is bankrupt, and the only lender lending us and money is OUR Fed buying OUR treasury notes (Smoke & Mirrors). The rest of the world is terrified we will default on our debt. The only way out is pain and suffering, the choice is who will do the suffering......YOU or Your CHILDREN.

**BENESSE** · 10-09-2009, 05:27 PM

The US is THE most democratic country in the world, if that still means anything to anyone. If "we" have issues, there's NO one to blame but ourselves.

If you disagree, then where else would you like to move to and be happy?
The borders are open, thank god, so don't let the door hit you on your way out.

**Rick** · 10-09-2009, 05:27 PM

You sure have a lot of black paint. Either that are the prolonged dark in AK has gotten to you.

**Pal334** · 10-09-2009, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sourdough

We are in Deep, Deep, Deep Sh!t. If the the world leaders had any semi-easy way out they would be doing it. If you really want to do something positive, advocate that they tell the people, the truth about where we REALLY are, and how we got here, and what it is going to take to get out. The truth is ALL of our Banks are bankrupt, The FDIC is banckrupt, most of the states are bankrupt, America is bankrupt, and the only lender lending us and money is OUR Fed buying OUR treasury notes (Smoke & Mirrors). The rest of the world is terrified we will default on our debt. The only way out is pain and suffering, the choice is who will do the suffering......YOU or Your CHILDREN.

THat is what I have been saying. Us your vote, get the right people (I am an optimist). THere is no sense moaning and gnashing our teeth with out exercising our political rights to change

**Pal334** · 10-09-2009, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by BENESSE

The US is THE most democratic country in the world, if that still means anything to anyone. If "we" have issues, there's NO one to blame but ourselves.

If you disagree, then where else would you like to move to and be happy?
The borders are open, thank god, so don't let the door hit you on your way out.

You are correct, cinche up your helmet and get to work for change!

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