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**Sarge47** · 09-13-2009, 11:30 PM

I get tired of threads that ask questions like "What 3, 2, or 1 item(s) would you take in a real survival situation. I recently bought & re-watched the movie "Defiance" that, as most of you already know, is the true story of Russian Jews hiding out in the woods in 1941 during the German/Nazi occupation/invasion of their country. They were being systematically slaughtered and many of them survived by banding together in the wilderness. Starting out, however, there were only four brothers with a hand axe, fire-making equipment, and a pistol with only 4 rounds. They only had the clothes on their backs that they were wearing before they were blitzed and didn't have time to shop an the local "Outdoor stores" and get some really great stuff. Over 1200 survived and built a school, hospital, & nursery in the forest until they could come back out. The film showed the battles they faced with each other as well as their circumstances. There was a battle for leadership within the group resulting in the current leader shooting & killing a challenger who was compromising the well being of the group. The 2 main brothers fought over weather the group goal was to fight as an army or to establish a community. Slowly the group organised itself into what it was to become. It was a perfect model of group survival and teaches us all what we should be considering in a SHTF scenario! What do you think chould/could be done if you found yourself in such a situation?

**doug1980** · 09-13-2009, 11:52 PM

Well this is a bit different scenario than most use to ask the question, "what items would you take?" I am not sure what I would do in that situation. I can tell you I would not want to be the leader though. I would if I had to but would rather not have that responsibility on my shoulders.

**NightShade** · 09-13-2009, 11:55 PM

Well Sarge I haven't seen the movie.. but now I want to!!!..... but in a situation like you described I think you'd hafta improvise and do the best with what you got!!! yea I took the easy obvious answer...

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-14-2009, 12:21 AM

Well Dottie and I have never seen this movie either but we also want to see it as well. Maybe what you should /are suggesting is a scenario like : what if you have____ ____ and ___ and are in this ____ scenario???
Like Doug I would not want the leadership role either but I have been in a situation where I assumed that role not once but twice. Don't like playing General when peoples lives could hang in the balance. I promise you it is not fun.

**NightShade** · 09-14-2009, 12:35 AM

I understand how you guys wouldn't want people's lives in your hands... heck neither would I.... but I'm kinda thinkin' ... better their lives in my hands than MY life in their hands!!!!

**Rick** · 09-14-2009, 07:06 AM

The group becomes a single person in a lot of ways. It learns and evolves based on the circumstances in finds itself in. I guess, in that situation, I would want to learn as much about the others as possible. I would be looking for strengths and weaknesses both physical, mental and in relation to skills. I'd have to assess the situation to determine what options were available and go from there. Security, water, food, shelter...all the basics first. Then grow.

**wareagle69** · 09-14-2009, 07:27 AM

i have found that no matter the situation, there is always politics involved any time a group comes together. some are politicians and some are leaders.
i am not a leader as most find me intimidating and abrasive, my do what i asked you to do or (fill in the blank) quit, go home bugger off, what ever does not bode well with others, i just don't see why folks whine and complain and second geuss so many things.
But yet when it comes to saftey and security people have always said thatthey feel safe with me, there are those who can lead then there are those who can get the job done.
i have as yet no seen this movie either but became very interested after ray mears did a show on this years before the movie was made, any thing that ray covers usually sparks an interest in me.
would i want to lead.hmmm depends on how it plays out sometimes these things just happen

**Sarge47** · 09-14-2009, 07:44 AM

This seems to bode the question: "What are the qualities of leadership?" In Discovery's 2-part series: "Marine Corps Survival School;" the Marines being trained were told that they needed to pick a leader, when the 1st one didn't measure up, they were told to pick another that would do the job. Rick hit the nail on the head in most instances. Like anything else, you access your resources. In the case of the storyline, these folks were hiding out from The German Army who would kill them if they were found. In our situation, it probably wouldn't come to that. Just makes me think that a situation similar to this would require organised thinking. 1st, pool all resources, 2nd, access all needs, 3rd, list the abilities of all personel & assign tasks to each accordingly. Busy hands help keep one's mind off of their problems. Finding soloutions is always better than sitting around in dispair....just thinking. BTW, excellent Survival film; I put it right up there with "Rescue Dawn."

**oldsoldier** · 09-14-2009, 09:34 AM

Okay Sarge I'll play the 2D.... er i mean the village idiot... Rescue dawn?????

**Sarge47** · 09-14-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by oldsoldier

Okay Sarge I'll play the 2D.... er i mean the village idiot... Rescue dawn?????

If you haven't seen it, rent it, now! It's a true story about a pilot shot down over Cambodia during the Viet Nam Conflict. Excellent Survival Movie!

**Sourdough** · 09-14-2009, 12:50 PM

Some of us, Don't play well with others, it is better for everyone, if we play with ourself......

**oldsoldier** · 09-14-2009, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

If you haven't seen it, rent it, now! It's a true story about a pilot shot down over Cambodia during the Viet Nam Conflict. Excellent Survival Movie!

Thanks Sarge never heard of it I'll check the video store see if they have it.

**lumpy** · 09-14-2009, 10:23 PM

Hello Sarge,and everyone.I haven't posted in a long time.I had this site under my favorites.My computer crashed a while back and I lost track of this forum.Just found this site again today when someone mentioned it on Homesteading Today.
Saw the film and loved it.I've been telling everyone about it.Lots of things we can learn from this true story.
Things in the film that got my attention.
1.The Jews were rounded up by local LEO's.Bounties were offered for turning in Jews.The brothers were not initially rounded up by LEO's because we were given the impression that the brothers were running from the law because of their bootlegging activities.
2. One associate of the brothers probably saved them all with his elaborate cache hidden under a pile of hay.
3.As Sarge has already pointed out,there was no time to prepare.Events happened quickly.
4.The brothers,or noone else,seemed to have any skill sets that were helpful for what they were going to endure.The brothers did seem to come to terms with the given events quicker than those around them.This one point seems to be the catalyst that lead to leadership roles for the brothers.

**nell67** · 09-14-2009, 10:30 PM

Welcome back lumpy!

**lumpy** · 09-14-2009, 10:39 PM

Thanks Nell.Its good to be back.I hope you and yours are doing well.

**Sarge47** · 09-14-2009, 11:26 PM

What I really liked was that the Jews finally realized that their resources included the skills the others had. There were hunters, a nurse, a watch-maker who found out that he could repair guns, & so on. All personal possessions were collected for the good of the community; can't see too many Wolves on here doing that!

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-14-2009, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

What I really liked was that the Jews finally realized that their resources included the skills the others had. There were hunters, a nurse, a watch-maker who found out that he could repair guns, & so on. all personel possessions were collected for the good of the community; can't see too many Wolves on here doing that!

Can't see 'em doing what?