Remembering 9/11

**Rick** · 09-11-2009, 09:20 AM

Just remember, you're dealing with one person, not the DOD contractor. So the opinion is only one persons. And the issue with copying all the employees may not have anything to do with the subject but with the cost. When I retired, a singe email cost about 2.5 cents, if I remember correctly, when you add in all the costs like electricity, IT loaded labor rate, etc. More than that if you start adding in printed copies. If the contractor is very large the costs can add up quickly.

**Ken** · 09-11-2009, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

Just remember, you're dealing with one person, not the DOD contractor. So the opinion is only one persons. And the issue with copying all the employees may not have anything to do with the subject but with the cost. When I retired, a singe email cost about 2.5 cents, if I remember correctly, when you add in all the costs like electricity, IT loaded labor rate, etc. More than that if you start adding in printed copies. If the contractor is very large the costs can add up quickly.

Dang! It must cost a small fortune to keep the Forum up and running.

**Pal334** · 09-11-2009, 09:51 AM

That is noted, however, I pay for all my IT costs as part of the contract. And Security education and training is part of what I bill them for, and it is a mandatory part of their contract. And since it was compliant with DoD policy and overall corporate policy (this is a field office of about 120 people), they will just have to deal with it. I appreciate your input, but I have heard it from them before and it did not fly. He actually represents a group of 4 managers that don't like to listen, and seem very sensitive about being challenged. 10 minutes to go .

**Ken** · 09-11-2009, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Pal334

He actually represents a group of 4 managers that don't like to listen, and seem very sensitive about being challenged. 10 minutes to go .

Some men just need to be b!tch-slapped. Often.

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-11-2009, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

Just remember, you're dealing with one person, not the DOD contractor. So the opinion is only one persons. And the issue with copying all the employees may not have anything to do with the subject but with the cost. When I retired, a singe email cost about 2.5 cents, if I remember correctly, when you add in all the costs like electricity, IT loaded labor rate, etc. More than that if you start adding in printed copies. If the contractor is very large the costs can add up quickly.

I would HOPE that a DoD contractor would hire someone with more PATRIOTIC values than that. If they don't have more sense than that, then maybe they deserve to lose their contract?

**Ken** · 09-11-2009, 10:54 AM

You're back. How'd you make out, Pal?

**Pal334** · 09-11-2009, 11:02 AM

A satisfactory conclusion to the meeting (in my opinion)

Went in, and was met by The manager, an HR person and the other three managers .
I demanded that the other three leave, since I do not report to them and it is an HR matter involving personal issue (s). They left.

I sat through about 10 minutes of BS from the manager about him not wanting to have the 9/11 issue brought up all the time and the time it wastes of the other employees. Then the HR person chastising me about my colorful language in my email.
Then I was presented with a writeup for insubordination (again my colorful language in the email), no mention made about the original email commemorating 9/11 that I sent.

My response:

A letter from my employer, advising them of the breach of contract (prohibiting me from performing my contracted tasks), 15 days to correct or a stop work order will be issued and the government customer advised. That shuts down the field office. Also a reminder to them that I am assigned to the site and do not work for them.

A copy of their Corporate email, which requires local security staff (me) to have a 9/11 informative program in place.

Department of Defense Requlation requiring the Security Education program.

And a notice from my attorney advising them that any Personnel issues involving me will be forwarded to him for review.

And because I am a sensitive guy, I left their writeup on the table looked the manager straight in the eye and told him to kiss my a** and walked out.

All in all quite satisfactory (to me)

**Ken** · 09-11-2009, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Pal334

And because I am a sensitive guy, I left their writeup on the table looked the manager straight in the eye and told him to kiss my a** and walked out.

I suspect the guy's had considerable experience doing that type of thing.

**Pal334** · 09-11-2009, 11:13 AM

Oh, he has

that is how he got his position. And I have no doubt that he will "stab me in the back at his first opportunity ". THat is why I love it here, it is such a good moral booster for the young folks who are afraid for their jobs.

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-11-2009, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Ken

Dang! It must cost a small fortune to keep the Forum up and running.

Not as much as I thought anyway!!!
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/archi.../t-133443.html

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-11-2009, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Pal334

Oh, he has

that is how he got his position. And I have no doubt that he will "stab me in the back at his first opportunity ". THat is why I love it here, it is such a good moral booster for the young folks who are afraid for their jobs.

I'll bet you are their HERO!!!

**Pal334** · 09-11-2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by pocomoonskyeyes

I'll bet you are their HERO!!!

Looks like the beers will be on the house, next time we are out

**Rick** · 09-11-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by poco

Not as much as I thought anyway!!!

That link is woefully short. You can also add in the vBulletin license, the domain (unless packaged with the ISP) and your hours of coding (and any coders you hire).

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-11-2009, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

That link is woefully short. You can also add in the vBulletin license, the domain (unless packaged with the ISP) and your hours of coding (and any coders you hire).

Huh? I don't know about anything you are talking about. Honestly I did a search and the first one That said vBulletin, I linked to. Since it was in the archives I figured cost would rise accordingly but that would still be a cheaper operating cost than what I thought.