Survival chances group vs. alone

**trax** · 03-02-2009, 06:46 PM

"Valuable equipment?" he asked, leaning over the victim's corpse.....

**dolfan87** · 03-02-2009, 07:39 PM

Here was a group, that became one man alone. The one man has been rescued...the group still missing.

The mistake made was leaving the boat...but it is still a worthy thing to add to the group vs alone discussion.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...ssing?MSNHPHMA

**trax** · 03-02-2009, 07:43 PM

Whoa, someone get me a tissue.

this was not in response to the link immediately posted above me, it was meant for the post before it, bad timing.

**Geronimo!** · 03-02-2009, 08:02 PM

Schuyler ate em all.

**Ken** · 03-02-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by remy

Yeah...awesome imagery.
Cause, we all know i am a mosquito...a fat, bold, lonely 6'4" 190 pound mosquito !!! ... remy.

Now, sometimes Preparation H makes these things go away, but the mere fact that the post quoted appeared proves that sometimes even the old reliables don't work.

**klkak** · 03-02-2009, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by remy

Yeah...awesome imagery.
Cause, we all know i am a mosquito...a fat, bold, lonely 6'4" 190 pound mosquito !!!

Anyway...this is just sad now.

You know the difference between you and me ?
Well...there are many really, like i am not passive aggressive nor am i stupid...but the main one...is that if you were hurt somewhere and needed help...i would be there.
You know why ?
Because even if you were the most limited human being i have ever met, i am that guy.

That's my religion.
I might not tell you what you want to hear...but i will always be here...as constant as the sun greets your day every morning. As present as the darkest night...
Consistency is part of my job description.

During a major accident i was in, with my wife being critically injured, i was the guy using a sledge hammer to get to people and get them out.
In the marines, i was the guy you would go to to write your letters of recommendations, or the guy pulling you out of the mud...or taking on your load when you could no longer carry it.
I have always been that guy...
I do not see enemies or friendlies here, i see natures and limitations, hopes and dreams, repressed tensions and secret desires...compulsions and processes, tendencies, pasts haunting presents, possible futures haunting present dreams, traces and inheritances, dichotomies and disharmonies...

Do not be fooled though.
Me being here for you is not a weakness.
The soup you call your consciousness is my battle field...

As was said in many occasions, if you do not like my style, what i write, or the way i interact with you...just ignore me...for there are thousands of "you" out there whiling, able, wanting to discuss and share different approaches.

The rest is like life...the more you resist, refuse, obsess, wish, oppose, hope, repress, fight, fear...the more you will encounter...it, in ways you could have never imagined.

With tenderness...
Now come and kill me, i have not yet died today.
remy.

Allot of the preceding lines I've either read in a book or heard in a movie....hmm.....maybe both.

**Norse&Native** · 03-02-2009, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by remy

Yeah...awesome imagery.
Cause, we all know i am a mosquito...a fat, bold, lonely 6'4" 190 pound mosquito !!!

Anyway...this is just sad now.

You know the difference between you and me ?
Well...there are many really, like i am not passive aggressive nor am i stupid...but the main one...is that if you were hurt somewhere and needed help...i would be there.
You know why ?
Because even if you were the most limited human being i have ever met, i am that guy.

That's my religion.
I might not tell you what you want to hear...but i will always be here...as constant as the sun greets your day every morning. As present as the darkest night...
Consistency is part of my job description.

During a major accident i was in, with my wife being critically injured, i was the guy using a sledge hammer to get to people and get them out.
In the marines, i was the guy you would go to to write your letters of recommendations, or the guy pulling you out of the mud...or taking on your load when you could no longer carry it.
I have always been that guy...
I do not see enemies or friendlies here, i see natures and limitations, hopes and dreams, repressed tensions and secret desires...compulsions and processes, tendencies, pasts haunting presents, possible futures haunting present dreams, traces and inheritances, dichotomies and disharmonies...

Do not be fooled though.
Me being here for you is not a weakness.
The soup you call your consciousness is my battle field...

As was said in many occasions, if you do not like my style, what i write, or the way i interact with you...just ignore me...for there are thousands of "you" out there whiling, able, wanting to discuss and share different approaches.

The rest is like life...the more you resist, refuse, obsess, wish, oppose, hope, repress, fight, fear...the more you will encounter...it, in ways you could have never imagined.

With tenderness...
Now come and kill me, i have not yet died today.
remy.

There is always some blowhard telling everyone what a great guy he is, while the whole time he acts like a piece of $#!T. I'm going to have to say that guy is you in this group. You're not what you say you are and not who you say you are. That's all I know for sure about you, so that's all I'm going to say.

What you're saying you are and what you're actually demonstrating are two different things. You're not an intellectual protagonist gracing people here with your wisdom and helping people see the error of their ways. You're just someone who is trying to play devil's advocate to everything and don't really have an opinion or an argument, and it's always someone like you that gets things stirred up. You want attention? Well, you got it, buck-o...and now everyone knows what an ignorant moron you are for it.

Quit telling everyone you're different and start proving it.

P.S. the more you tell people how great you are, how tall you are, how strong you are and how much military training you have, the less credible you become.

If someone has to consistently convince others of something with their words without action to back it up, the more clear it becomes that what they're telling people isn't the truth.

In short, I'll tell you what my grandfather always told me, "Put up or shut up". Everyone was having a good discussion until you decided to add your two cents, then it all pretty well went to $#!T. You're not offering anything to this discussion, any helpful tips, no apparent skills which makes you obsolete whether you like it or not.

If you want us to think you're smart and right, you're going about it entirely the wrong way.

I've seen a hundred phonies in my lifetime, that's how I spotted you.

That being said, by even responding to your inane b.s. I myself have taken away from the attention of the topic at hand, so I'm just going to leave this at this and be done with it, hopefully things will get back on track.

**crashdive123** · 03-03-2009, 12:19 AM

Not to try and bring this back around to the original question (I would never do that) but look at your individual situation now. Do you live in and around people? Do you interact or rely on them at all? Then IMO you will probably continue this in stressful situations. However, if you currently are isolated and depend on nobody, that too will most likely continue IMO. Afterall, what are neighborhoods, towns and cities now if not "group survival"?

**DOGMAN** · 03-03-2009, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by crashdive123

Not to try and bring this back around to the original question (I would never do that) but look at your individual situation now. Do you live in and around people? Do you interact or rely on them at all? Then IMO you will probably continue this in stressful situations. However, if you currently are isolated and depend on nobody, that too will most likely continue IMO. Afterall, what are neighborhoods, towns and cities now if not "group survival"?

Well, I guess I'll be going at it alone then. Because I pretty much run everyone off at some point. Heck, if I didnt keep my dogs on chains they'd probably leave me...

:fuk2:

**Ole WV Coot** · 03-03-2009, 12:29 AM

Hey Norse&Native save your fingers you just got baited in. Remember when two skunks are in a pi$$ing contest there really ain't a winner. I got had early on myself before I learned who was who. I am the same weight that I was 40yrs ago only it's in different places but I ain't top heavy if you know what I mean.

**DOGMAN** · 03-03-2009, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ole WV Coot

Hey Norse&Native save your fingers you just got baited in. Remember when two skunks are in a pi$$ing contest there really ain't a winner. I got had early on myself before I learned who was who. I am the same weight that I was 40yrs ago only it's in different places but I ain't top heavy if you know what I mean.

Are you trying to tell us you've been taking EXTENDZ or some similar male enhancement product

**Sarge47** · 03-03-2009, 12:46 AM

...what Happened To Youthpastor!

**Ken** · 03-03-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

...what Happened To Youthpastor!

I found him: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DG

**wildography** · 03-03-2009, 01:59 PM

LOL... sorry.. I thinks its funny when two bulls start pawing the ground and snorting at each other...

to quote an often used lament from someone that I think, in my opinion, is an idiot: "can't we all just get along?"... the answer is... its human nature to not get along with everyone!

but, seriously, my thoughts are... it is ill-advised to broadcast all that you are capable of doing or accomplishing... answer questions, offer advice, relate experiences and lessons learned tuthfully and honestly (with, of course, the prerequisite "slight" stretching of the truth)... but don't believe everything that you read.

Personally, I would much rather that un-informed people underestimate my capabilities... that way, I can surprise them with assisting them in learning why you should not "assume" something...

I, personally, try to offer advice, give out my opinion, relate some lessons that I've learned and perhaps try to offer up some information that may cause others to think or learn... because I'm here to do the same thing... learn, get advice, gather ideas, improve upon my thinking in some areas and just hang out and be entertained on occassion...

I don't feel the need to prove my "man-hood" by blowing my own "horn" (lol... there's a few jokes in there that I'll not even go to)... if I say that I've "done" "such-n-such"... it really doesn't matter if people believe me. Actions speak louder than words... most especially words typed on the internet...

hmmmm... thus ends my filosiphizing...

**Ole WV Coot** · 03-03-2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jason_Montana

Are you trying to tell us you've been taking EXTENDZ or some similar male enhancement product

Too late

But I do think somebody got a mouthful and didn't swallow

'The only part it got to was the head.

**nell67** · 03-03-2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ken

I found him: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DG

Oh,he did NOT say that!!!!!! LMAO!

**bulrush** · 03-03-2009, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by erunkiswldrnssurvival

I have discovered that alone is the productive way to go. with a group of people, every task, every toil,every failure, turns into a finger pointing free-for-all.

A good point. But it doesn't have to be that way. It depends on the caliber of people you are with. And besides, everyone has a bad day now and then. Right Ken and Remy?

**nell67** · 03-03-2009, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Ole WV Coot

Too late

But I do think somebody got a mouthful and didn't swallow

'The only part it got to was the head.

**dolfan87** · 03-03-2009, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by remy

Norse&Native,

Most of us have at one point or another stated our hight and weight, which is just a clue to our temperament...i never said i was strong, nor have i ever said i was a black belt in who knows what, nor have i ever said i would kick anybody's ***, squish or kill anyone...in more than 2 years of me posting here.

I never post in certain threads or even certain sections because i have no expertise in those realms...i am however reading them and learning from other members...

You know what i look like.
I was even willing to meet with Mitch, since his move to LA.

My military training is part of who i am...that you like it or not. I know what i have done, i know where i have been...if you do not believe me...who cares ?

You thinking that i do not offer anything to discussions is your opinion...and there will always be a handful of individuals that will not like what i do or say...it is part of the deal on forums, but your opinion is not representative of the whole of the members.

Wrong way, right way...pretty subjective thoughts if you ask me.
Maybe you are right though, maybe i am going about it the wrong way...after all, i have the right to make mistakes.
As for "put up or shut up"...i don't know how much more i can actually "put up".
"Put up" what anyway ?

You are right about one thing though...i do not really have an opinion.
But i do think that this thread for example is actually interesting...even you, from the hight of your 13 posts is getting involved. We are getting more than 2000 views and we just skimmed the surface of this subject.

Your response is interesting, because it aligns with group behavior. Everything that happens on this thread is interesting.

Further more...words, are actions.
Don't you ever pray ?

I was going to try and stay out of the debate with you and Ken, (and maybe everyone slamming you has humbled you a bit) but the one conversation you and I had, you came off like an a**hole.

No one wants to be talked down to...and in fact I believe that was the subject of our conversation.

We are all here to learn. We are all here to give whatever advice we can offer. But the heady crap gets old.

I would hope that most who frequent these forums are more common sense then philosophers. Because when the SHTF I want "nose to the grindstone" common sense people around me.

THAT is why I am here.

Get it?