Survival chances group vs. alone

[Ken]

Ken,

It feels to me...like you just want to argue, for the sake of arguing.
Which has never been, nor will it ever be, my intention.

I argue with people sometimes, but with the intent to reach a better understanding of either the situation at hand, or in better cases, when all the stars line up, a better understanding of ourselves.

Arguing is not even really a mathematical ordinance, since it is mostly a singular event we could call "digestion".
Once in a while, individuals like you cross my path...wanting desperately to prove a point, to compare numbers and who knows what...this is not entirely void of interest, but can quickly resonate as a competition of sort.

With you, i sincerely felt that you needed this confrontation. I do not know why you have this need, nor do i remember what could have happened in the past between us that still inhabits your present. Your view, opinion, idea of my situation, my motives, or even my style is not of importance...since it has very little relevance to the foundations of this rapport you have come to beg for.

Your view, opinion, idea of what psychologists are, or how they should behave or speak, is obviously borrowed from 50 year old depictions, that you most likely took from hollywood. we are not co-pathetic mops, asking over and over about your feelings. This field, has progressed beyond your wildest imagination, rapport between human beings have evolved for some, and i am gladly optimistic about our future.

My words are always chosen carefully, and this includes all words...even when i say "stupid", it is for a reason carefully weighed.
Your emotional responses are a sign of need your consciousness can only formulate in a series of sentences all created to minimize the gap between what you are, and what you think you are, in rapport to who you think i am.

It is all a game, an act you yourself direct, and perform, for the benefit of your ego. If you want...we can continue in this light, for i will always discover more about myself playing those games than you ever will.
If on the other hand, you want to have a discussion about Robinson Crusoe, or even your life, then i am all ears...al eyes, even if this means that i will not always ask about your feelings, and remain silent at the door of your compulsions.

Best wishes.
Remy.

Remy,

First of all, what do you do? Do you log-off, type posts in Word, copy them, and paste them here? Just curious, since one moment you're not logged in and seconds later what appears but another of your lenghty nonsensical diatribes.

Secondly, I find it excruciatingly difficult to believe that you are really a psychologist. Why? Because my profession requires me to interact with genuine "honest-to-goodness" professional psychologists and psychiatrists on a regular basis --- and you don't come across like they do in any way, shape, or fashion. Believe me, I have no misconceptions whatsoever about psychologists or modern psychology.

Your words - the name calling, the insults, the depricating comments, etc. - are about as carefully chosen as are French Fries from a McDonald's bag. More like verbal diarrhea if you ask me.

Argue? I argue for a living. Unfortunately for you, the people I argue with have at least a vague concept of what they're talking about. You don't.

Remy, in case you don't realize it (and you may realize it but just don't care) forums like this are for an exchange of ideas. Feel free to disagree. However, gratuitous insults and just plain trying to make other people feel intimidated or stupid doesn't fly because it inhibits rather than promotes the exchange of ideas we hope to achieve here. Unfortunately, gratuitous insults and just plain trying to make other people feel intimidated or stupid has been your style. It speaks far more about you than it does about others.

Remy. I'm not the toughest kid in town - nobody is - but I've never ever walked away from guys like you regardless of the situation.

Grow up.

[Sarge47]

...There's no place like home, & yes, Sarge is home with the Frisky Wolf Pack nipping at each other! So are we through venting? Both Crash & Rick are out of the area & tonight is "Magic"night for me. i just got back from my Mentor's home, who's a University Prof. by the way; teaches Buisness manaement. but he also is a world traveler, has a Russian Girlfriend living in Paris whom he recently visited, & more girl-friends in Vegas, & had Thanksgiving dinner there with many professional magicians, including Max maven & Lance Burton. Sorry guys, but after "Destroying Angel" you guys were a bit on the "tame" side for me. Hey Jason, you like putting extra letters in front of words? What do you get when you put a "c" in front of hick? (heh-heh.) So, are we done now?(BTW, my IQ's around 129...so why ain't I rich???)

[Sarge47]

...back to my original question; whateve happened to YouthPastor?

[Ken]

Sarge, Magic show, huh? If your former professor's girlfriends read your post #76 above ..... poof, you'll disappear.

[klkak]

My I.Q is scary high. But my shrink says my psych issues inhibit my ability to use it to the fullest.

[Dennis K.]

My I.Q is scary high. But my shrink says my psych issues inhibit my ability to use it to the fullest.

I don't mind smart people, so long as they act stupid.

[klkak]

I don't mind smart people, so long as they act stupid.

I get a head ache when I'm being smart. I think it has something to do with the drugs.

[DOGMAN]

My I.Q is scary high. But my shrink says my psych issues inhibit my ability to use it to the fullest.

Now that is funny...

[Alpine_Sapper]

Why is it that there is always an infinite supply of sexually frustrated faggots around ?

As I have not observed this same phenomenon, it must be attributed to the simple law of nature, like attracts like, opposites repel.

so I guess that would make you a sexually frustrated faggot magnet...

[Rick]

Well crap!! You got that wrong. Opposites attract. Since I'm neither sexually frustrated nor a homosexual, does that mean I'm attracted to them?

[Alpine_Sapper]

Well crap!! You got that wrong. Opposites attract. :

lol. that depends on what you are talking about. And in regards to you attracting them, I dunno, are you experiencing the same symptoms remy is describing?

[old soldier]

Instantly reminded me of the movie Defiance. Band of brothers only three-strong go into the woods to escape the Nazis, but eventually accumulate Jewish survivors and grow into a group of something like >100. With a group you begin having politics, social ordinances, democracy, etc. In a SHTF situation, martial law is always preferred over group dynamics. A large group also attracts more people, good or bad. A larger group gives more resources but also requires more. Large grounds leave a definitive impact where they stay verses a small group that can easily practice evasion. Moving a large ground is slow and noisy progress. Unless you have a group of trained personnel, you're going to be stuck carrying the sick, weak, old, and young. Babies and children will really **** you over if you're trying to evade silently. However if the 'enemy' knows you are somewhere in a wood and are actively pursuing you, a larger group with adequate weaponry has a much better chance of defense than individuals. When evasion fails, a small group will perish but a large group can fight.

However this is evasion. If you are expecting to start a new community - farming, society, all that stuff - then a larger group is a necessity. It's infinitely easier to sow the field and manage the crop with a large group without putting strain on resources. Therefor, it depends on the stage of SHTF: early vs recovery.

just happen to read, but isn't politics, social ordinances, democracy laws and just losing rights everyday what got us to where we're at?

[Ken]

Well...you are still stupid.


Where your poor excuse for "arguing" becomes somewhat interesting, is not in the obviously aggressive behavior you try to repress by imagining yourself "grown up" and less "juvenile" than myself...but in the simple fact that you inevitably forget that everything you can say or do to negate my existence, my presence, is anchored in a certain language, a certain perception which always brings you back in a place where you must consider as exclusively real everything that enters the word and the sentence, the text and the syntax, and what can only be, in the end, what we apply as filters upon a fluid and subtle reality...upon a mysterious reality that we will never know as long as we do not have access to a different mind...a different intellect...less emotional, larger and more coherent with the intention to conceive paradoxes and opposites...similar things lightly different as being facets of your own limitations.

Your posts are stupid, because you do not even know what you are saying...even worse, you do not know why you are saying those things.

I'll show you what i mean.
This is how it started :

02-25-2009, 03:41 AM
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"I say there is a much better chance survival in a group. The faster the work is done, the more art you can make. You have a team that makes the shelters, while a second group makes fire, a third party gets water, and a fourth party goes on a hunt. Look at the example of Indians. They work with a teammate, because both of you will depand on each other. One always look and defend your back. Look at the example of Robin Crusoe. His buddy, a local was his bestfriend."
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My response was :

02-25-2009, 08:14 AM
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remy
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"Ah, vendredi...ou la vie sauvage."
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Then...here you come :

Yesterday, 10:37 AM
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Ken
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"Ah, Friday. ..or wild life. I get the Friday - Robinson Crusoe part (although Friday was not capitalized) but what' the connection with wildlife all about?"
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Note that you say that you "get" the friday-Robinson part.

My response to you was :

Yesterday, 02:11 PM
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remy
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"It is the title of a book written by Michel Tournier."
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And here is where i know you have decided to challenge your intellect :

Yesterday, 02:25 PM
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"Can you give us the Cliff Notes Summary? In English? And WTF does it have to do with Friday/Crusoe?

Cảm ơn bạn rất nhiều!"
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Note that now...You write "WTF does it have to do with friday-crusoe" ?
When your last post clearly stated that you "got" the correlation. The fact that you had to use "WTF", let me know that you were already set on being passive aggressive about the entire thing, and i questioned your intelligence, giving you an excuse to express whatever it is you repress, by adding the little, but powerful "duh" at the end of my post :

Yesterday, 02:45 PM
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"Cliff notes summary :
Robinson Crusoe lands on an Island. He must survive on his own...but at some point finds a savage by the name of Vendredi (capitalized just for you).
Vendredi shows him a different way of life, in harmony with nature.

In English :
Robinson Crusoe lands on an Island. He must survive on his own...but at some point finds a savage by the name of Vendredi (capitalized just for you).
Vendredi shows him a different way of life, in harmony with nature.

And WTF does it have to do with Friday/Crusoe ? :
Well, it is their story...duh..."
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Then...you really get to write a stupid post fueled by emotions...filled with once again so much passive aggressive tendencies, that i had to challenge your intelligence, in order for you to be able to once and for all express clearly your love for me, by asking (not saying !!!!) :

"Are you stupid or something ?"

What happens after that, is you being stubborn...and stupid.
So i will say again...
2 choices...

1-let it go, and go back to your unsatisfied wife...and your moronic beagles.
2-keep on being stupid.

Actually...i will add one more choice...

3-go **** yourself.

REMY!!!

Yep, you're composing off line and doing a copy and paste routine! Just 15 seconds ago you weren't logged in and flash, in an instant, this crap appears.

REMY!!! Less than 24 hours ago you were begging the Super Moderators to shut this post down. Remember? You want to start this up again, REMY?

Are you a masochist? A narcisist? Just what are you, Remy?

Why don't you tell us your life story. The truth, this time. No more B.S. about being a psychologist or a military veteran or anything like that. Just the truth, okay? REMY?

I've read a wide range of your posts. Man, are you inconsistent. Are you just like Walter Mitty, REMY???

How many different Member names have you posted under, REMY? WHO ARE YOU???? WHAT ARE YOU???

[Tony uk]

Remy is not a person, thing, object, or belief, He is just there ...........

[tsitenha]

"a better chance to survive, alone or in a group?"

Depends on circumstances and people around you.

Some people refer to a "tribe, aboriginal or otherwise" working well but you have to realize they were that way before anything happened. They were already cohesive; at least to the outside world's point of view, inside.......... the tribe there's still politics as usual.

[Sarge47]

Maybe Remy is "YouthPastor...nahh, that'd be too easy!

[Norse&Native]

no doubt about it, a group gives you more protection BUT

I'm a loner all the way and trust no one except my immediate family, I even have my doubts about son and daughter in laws, they also have family whom their loyalties should lay with, but they are married to my sons and daughters and that makes them my responcibility.I wouldn't want to have my family here and in great shape for a couple yrs and then have my DILs family show up with just the rags on their backs, it could be very embarrassing or even bloody, maybe even break up some familys.

I've spent the past couple yrs printing out info for them hoping they will pass it on and start prepping so i figure they have all got the warnings. I don't believe in the old saying, "we'll all starve together" they'll starve before me if they aren't prepared

I'm with old soldier all the way on this one. My wife is pretty damn skookum, but aside from her I wouldn't ever consider "teaming" with anyone. I know my physical strengths. I know my limitations. I know my mental preparation is dialed. I can't vouch for someone under stress, you never know what the hell people are going to do. Someone might be ok one minute and then sitting there crying the next. You don't want to have to drag some sobbing mess around the woods with you giving up your location and slowing you down. It'd be better to just dispatch 'em and give 'em a proper burial than to slow yourself down and give you more of a handful of B.S. to deal with than you already have.

I really couldn't even vouch for my own immediate family members. They're pretty sedentary and don't seem to know a lick about anything. They talk an awful lot about survival and making it in the rough, but I don't think any of them have roughed much of anything.

Pretty disappointing to have to think about that, but when it's down to the wire and it's your @$$ or mine in a sling, whoever I'm dealing with had better believe it's theirs and not mine.

[trax]

Doncha just hate it when yer watching a real good *itch slapping session going on in a thread and a couple of people go and start posting back to the original question of the thread. Geez, you guys, the scrappers were almost in tears here---that would've been great!

[Geronimo!]

Remy,

You seem like a well read fellow. Have you read A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole?

In my head, I have painted you as the main character.

From Wikipedia-
"The central character is Ignatius J. (Jacques) Reilly, an intelligent but slothful man still living with his mother at age 30 in the city's Uptown neighborhood, who, because of family circumstances, must set out to get a job. In his quest for employment he has various adventures with colorful French Quarter characters."

Not a personal attack on you, but, from your posts, it seems to fit.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Wait... Or is that the other way around?

[Beans]

I liked Mental Health Professionals, because when I was medically retired from the USMC, one of them gave me a certificate certifying I was sane

I have used it a couple of times when people thought I was crazy or accused me of doing crazy stuff. It helped