http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...rrest.hln.html
I just watched this clip, a strip search against a woman taken in for drunk driving. What is up with this??
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http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...rrest.hln.html
I just watched this clip, a strip search against a woman taken in for drunk driving. What is up with this??
Lawsuit? They should all be prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to 20 years in a federal penitentiary.
Yea and strip searched by big beefy men or women every day.
I assume you all are talking about the attempted murderer driving drunk.
Life lesson #1158: Don't Drive Drunk
Life lesson #1159: Don't kick the officer during a pat down because he saved you from killing an innocent family
Okay, so let's say she had hit a parked car. Would they have been justified in gang raping her?Quote:
Originally Posted by woodsman86
Yea , just the same as all americans carrying guns are potential mass murderers , would it justify this strip search. Bet they wouldn't have searched a murderer like that.
All I am saying is it's a double sided sword. They didn't rape anyone and this was not a random back alley event. All we see is a video. Would you have been as appalled if it was a guy? For all we know at this point, she refused to comply with changing into jail clothing or acted suspicious as if she was hiding drugs or a weapon and then resisted. Again we only have limited facts and a video.
Nighthawk...attempting to bring guns into this with me could not be further off the point
I don't get the outrage here. They did it, they got caught, not only is she suing them but there is bound to be an investigation into it. Justice prevails. End of story.
I agree.....
Me too :innocent:
Rick, here's the outrage:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
A strip search is a humiliating act of violence and could NEVER be justified under these circumstances. And guess what. It's not theQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
"They" - police officers like them - will do it again, whenever they think they can get away with it, because they know where the cameras are, and things like this rarely happen where "they" know they're being recorded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
The four of them belong in a federal prison for decades, and the victim should recover every last dime that each one of them owns through her lawsuit.
They are nothing more than thugs in uniform, abusing their authority, and are no different than the Hollywood Stuntz mob that attacked that man and terrorized his family.
There SHOULD be outrage because when there is none, these types of inappropriate behaviors continue. Justice will prevail because she was lucky enough to be in a jail where there is video. All are not so lucky. If this was your wife or mother or sister or heaven forbid, your daughter, who had been stupid enough to have one too many, would you think it was ok to traumatize her?
You missed my point. What benefit is YOUR outrage? How will YOU change it. It's on the news, she suing them. I whole heartily agree she should, the cops should be arrested and prosecuted. What they did is wrong. But...I don't understand the passion displayed in a forum that doesn't benefit the victim and doesn't prosecute the perpetrators. I just don't see any benefit in getting mad at something I have no control or influence over. Do whatever you want.
One case at a time. On this past Friday, I was in court arguing a Motion to Suppress Evidence discovered as a result of an illegal strip search that violated even the department's own policies. The court took the matter under advisement. I'll let you know what the court's decision is as soon as I receive it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Good answer!! LOL.
ok, the outrage is an expression of disbelief....I would never have thought three police MEN and one woman would take a female and subject her to this...
now, I did see how she seemed to kick backwards, for what drunken reason we don't know, there is no audio for this
I say as a culture we need to express our outrage, not just sit back, It didn't happen to me, or my sister or mom, and the LAW is looking into it, so, no need for me to get involved.
This forum encourages discourse. Do we only discuss things we can do something about, right this minute, from our own private chair?
And, yes, I would have been appalled if it was a guy being mass stripped by three women and a man.
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Originally Posted by woodsman86
Woodsman, do you really think like that? Your thought process is in my opinion the reason people have problems with cops.
A person who swears to uphold the law isn't entitled to break it because he feels his actions were somehow more heroic then they were.
She was arrested. She is in custody and surrounded by 4 TRAINED officers. What is the statute of limitations on doing this sort of thing to a person for there crimes you perceive them guilty. What are the limitations of the indignation and abuse you feel they are duly subject too.
Maybe this murderer should have just got a bullet to the head by the cop and save the prosecutor, judge and jury all the time and trouble.
Lets not forget professional courtesy. You know the cases where actual DUI cops cover for each other and frame it on innocent people?
You seem to have this view that heroes have a right to break the laws they are sworn to uphold.
Weak people with issues do things like what are shown in the video. Not heroes.
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Originally Posted by femalesurvivalist
Of course not. But what good has this thread done except to make someone feel better by getting their rant out? Would it not have been better to say, "Hey, look what happened to this woman." (post link). "I think this is a shameful abuse of power and you might want to contact Sheriff Thomas Templeton of the Lasalle County Sheriff's Department and let him know how you feel about what the jail deputies have done ask him what his approach will be with Jail Superintendent Jason Edgecomb. And isn't it shameful that they have pulled the email addresses from their web site so no one can contact them?
I sent my comments to Jerry Hicks the County Board Chairman and asked him why there were no email links on the Sheriff's web page and what I thought the county board should do.
Here's his email address:
[email protected]
Seriously, wouldn't that be a lot more productive? (which I did by the way).
Well, see Rick, then it did good. Thanks for the link and proactive suggestions.
That's all I was getting at. We can sit in our chair and make a difference if we actually do something. What would Mr. Hicks do tomorrow if he turned on his computer and it said:
You have 1023 emails. Your mailbox is full.
Your right Rick and Sheriff Hicks Now has one more email from me.
Hicks is the County Board Chairman. Thomas Templeton is the Sheriff but he doesn't have his email address posted at the moment. And the jail has taken theirs down too. I guess that's one way to deal with bad publicity. But the county board is their boss so I went to the Chairman.
When you are being searched they tell you to pick up your foot. You can see she did that with the left foot, then was told to pick up the right foot and she did that. Then she did lift her leg up more, which looks like she may have been trying to kick the officer in the face, or maybe not.
My personal outrage comes from the work I am in and the information and personal experience I have with perpetrators and law enforcement officers who share so many personality characteristics.
I have never been arrested or given a speeding ticket in person (damn photo radar) but my question is what was the reason for their action against you? Law enforcement is a hard job, no one likes you but everyone wants you, its a double edge sword. Not going into this police action with the strip down but I always ask, if someone died after getting shot with a Taser 5 times what did they do after the first shot. The same token the police here where I live shot a guy dead because he was coming at 3 of them with a box cutter, which I know with their lives always in danger they have to protect themselves but that's going over board. I respect law enforcement and cant even begin to comprehend what they deal with day in and day out but personality characteristics of everyone involved with these incidents determine the outcomes good or bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1stimestar
I've had one ticket in 20 years. I've never been arrested! I work for the local women's shelter at an offsite location. One of our recent perpetrators was a law enforcement officer from out of state. As the woman's case manager, I was a target for him. I was working with our local police to keep me and my children as well as her and her children safe. I love MY local law enforcement but have worked with others who were just plain assholes.
I am not saying these cops are completely innocent, that I can not judge because I was not there and do not have the whole picture. But I wish to shine light to the other side of things. Sometimes people put themselves in these situations and I feel no pitty for them. She chose to drink and have one to many, then get behind the wheel. Would you feel the same if she hit and killed someone in your family? Yes the officers should be investigated and charged if that is what is deemed necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batch
All of this is damned if you do and damned if you don't. So I chose to be damned on the law side and denounce the criminal side instead of supporting criminals. Of course the cops breaking law makes them criminals as well, so there is the damned if you do. There is just to much one sided arguments with all the cop stuff here and it is always weighed against law enforcement. All we have is the news article and some video tape. Neither of which tells both sides.
And to answer your other question...The prisons are filled with people I would rather spend the money for bullet then 3 hots and a cot for the rest of their lives, but that is a whole other issue.
I understand your point, Rick, but isn't this forum a kind of community? I feel like it is. This is kind of water cooler talk. Sometimes people discuss things (on a discussion forum, especially), and it's often a precursor to taking action. Without the post I'd have never heard of it, and people chiming in with how they feel about it is how a community functions. Maybe it will lead to action, maybe it is only venting and making us feel better. Are we to feel guilty for having an emotional reaction, or not immediately contacting the White House?
I get that your aim is prune the dead branches and try to keep this site focused on the positives...hell, maybe even survival related!:eyepoke: But isn't a little socialization and discussion kind of an occupational hazard of having a discussion forum?:laugh:
You betcha. I'm just challenging people to actually get involved. You can rant and rave all you want. I really don't care. But unless you do something positive about an injustice that you've perceived then you in effect allow that injustice to continue. It's the equivalent of saying, "Oh, how horrible. What's on the next channel?" If you really truly care then you get involved. That's how real change takes place.
1stTimeStar - Bravo!! I applaud your work with battered women. No REAL man would raise his hand. If he does then he needs someone to provide him the very same each and every time.
Well if I got strip searched by a bunch of hot lady cops, I would be really mad.......................reeeeely mad:smartass:
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