Japan today: Everything we plan for.

I use Drudge Report as my home page on the computer. A moment ago I pulled up the server and the center column of what is going on in the world today looks like a rundown of our thread topics.

Japan a wasteland
Tsunami distruction 60 miles inland
Nuke plant meltdown
150,000 evacuated
250,000 in shelters
food being hoarded
1800 dead in one city
total dead unknown

Just goes to show...
No matter how hard you try, some things you just can't prepare for. When your # comes up, you're going down.

All the preparedness in the world wouldn't help against a 30 foot wall of water. This is really a nightmare scenario. I like to think i can control or mitigate most bad things, but this is a reality check. Some things you just can't do anything about. It really boggles the mind when you think of how many people have lost their lives in this.

It all reminds me how really insignificant we are in the cosmic order of things. We may be on top of the food chain now, but nature has a way of correcting that in the blink of an eye.

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Originally Posted by r0ckhamm3r

All the preparedness in the world wouldn't help against a 30 foot wall of water. This is really a nightmare scenario. I like to think i can control or mitigate most bad things, but this is a reality check. Some things you just can't do anything about. It really boggles the mind when you think of how many people have lost their lives in this.

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Oh yes there is I lived through the 64 Alaskan earthquake that was 3 times as powerful. I currently live in a flood plain on a fault line (the land is cheap). I have punched a road up a rock out cropping and have needed things as mobile as I can make them and have two boats. You have warning of sunamis and I can make many trips up the hill before it hits. I used screws not nails when building my house and it will not shake apart.

US nuclear reactor map

US earthquake hazzard map

I guess I really don't know what to say, the power of the earthquake and Tsunami, according to some reports I was watching last night.....Moved the whole island 8ft to the west.
Now if that isn't a Holy C*** moment, I don't know what is.
Bottom line is try to live on your own hook, prepare for what ever you can, but in the long run there are a lot of thinks that you can't really control, so don't worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Alaskan Survivalist

I used screws not nails when building my house and it will not shake apart.

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I would think just the opposite...screws have no shear strength so I would think that an earthquake would break a house held with screws long before it would a house made with nails.

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Originally Posted by Camp10

I would think just the opposite...screws have no shear strength so I would think that an earthquake would break a house held with screws long before it would a house made with nails.

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It all depends on the screw. Wooden boats are screwed together not nailed. Nails don't have near the holding strenght.

Nails bend,,, Screws break,,,, Hurricane straps MUST be nailed for that very reason.... same with Joist hangers,,

I hope you're correct, AS. Truly. Depending on the origination of the tsunami you could have minutes or hours. Hopefully, if a quake does hit your house will move as one unit instead of back and forth against itself. Let's just hope you don't have to test any of it.

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Originally Posted by Rick

I hope you're correct, AS. Truly. Depending on the origination of the tsunami you could have minutes or hours. Hopefully, if a quake does hit your house will move as one unit instead of back and forth against itself. Let's just hope you don't have to test any of it.

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I have seen what happens to this area by sunami before. The mechanics of it in my location are this. Cook inlet is hundreds of miles long but fairly shallow and tapers down like a funnel that I live at the end of. Perfect conditions for one to be lifted high but most likely would run out of steam before it got here unless extremely powerful. In 64 flooding was the problem and mud washed up an area about 10 miles away. I do not have to wait until I hear it on the radio to think a sunami will be generated. I do check immediately to find epecenter when I get big shakers. I do live on a fault line so sometimes even small quakes can feel massive if they are close. No one that lives through a massive earth quake takes it lightly and I don't. To Justin, yes I used strapping and brackets and the screws that shear are when people use sheetrock screws. I used decking screws. The house is built over code in many ways. I have 10 inch slabs in my basement. All 2x6 framing is in perfect alignment going through to the roof that is set on 16 inch centers as well. Had I known the world was about to fall apart when I built it I would have made it bullet proof too. Winds are big problem here too and it has with stood many storms that blew my nieghbors roofs off.

Alaska has 4000 earthquakes each year. That's more than the other 49 states combined. The big difference is we have little development to get damaged. I hold my breath when the swaying begins until I feel the first jolt. That's when I know how much to worry. I've been through so many of them I can usually judge how far away they are also. Earth Quake protocal was taught in school just like the cold war nuclear stuff. It is part of our lives here.

1964 03 28 - Prince William Sound, Alaska - M 9.2 Fatalities 128
1965 02 04 - Rat Islands, Alaska - M 8.7
1965 03 30 - Rat Islands, Alaska - M 7.3
1966 08 07 - Rat Islands, Alaska - M 7.0
1972 07 30 - Sitka, Alaska - M 7.6
1975 02 02 - Near Islands, Alaska - M 7.6
1979 02 28 - Mt. St. Elias, Alaska - M 7.5
1986 05 07 - Andreanof Islands, Alaska - M 7.9
1987 11 30 - Gulf of Alaska - M 7.8
1988 03 06 - Gulf of Alaska - M 7.7
1996 06 10 - Andreanof Islands, Alaska - M 7.9
2002 02 06 - near Knik, Alaska - M 5.3
2002 10 23 - Denali, Alaska - M 6.7
2002 11 03 - Denali Fault, Alaska - M 7.9
2003 02 19 - Unimak Island Region, Alaska - M 6.6
2003 03 17 - Rat Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska - M 7.1
2003 06 23 - Rat Islands, Aleutian Islands - M 6.9
2003 11 17 - Rat Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska - M 7.8
2004 06 28 - Southeastern Alaska - M 6.8
2005 06 14 - Rat Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska - M 6.8
2006 07 27 - Southern Alaska - M 4.8
2007 08 02 - Andreanof Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska - M 6.7
2007 08 15 - Andreanof Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska - M 6.5
2007 12 19 - Andreanof Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska - M 7.2
2007 12 26 - Fox Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska - M 6.4
2008 04 16 - Andreanof Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska - M 6.6
2008 05 02 - Andreanof Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska - M 6.6
2009 01 24 - Southern Alaska - M 5.8

I can tell you one thing. I'll fight any effort to build a nuclear power plant here. I'd rather sit in the dark than glow in the dark!

I was running numbers earlier and found that according to the UN 60% of the world population lives within 25 miles of a seacoast. This quake sent water 60 miles into the interior in some places.

There is also a nuke reactor plant within 25 miles of most of the major urban areas of the east coast. Chicago is ringed with them, 'cept for the side on Lake Michigan.

My own abode is 200 miles from the nearest nuke plant and sits at 1200ft above sea level 1000 miles inland. I thought of all that before I located here. I still have to worry about big winds, falling trees, New Madrid fault, sesquach and alien abduction. Not a thing you can do if the aliens or sesquach gets after you, you're a gone'r.

They are keeping the announced death count very low. Several coastal villages, with populations in the thousands, are completely gone.

We may see our first case of a complete nuklear core meltdown in a densely populated area. One is considered completely lost already and the other two are failing fast.

Even though this is all bad, really bad, the Japanese people will get through this and yes with some help from us and a few other countries. They are a prep type of people and are somewhat disciplined when it comes to this type of disaster. Even the kids in school each have one of these back bags and they even have hard hats and a fire hood issued to them.....

Here is what every Japanese Citizen and even visitors are GIVEN by the Japanese gov't. You have seen these being carried by Japanese people in the news clips that have played the past few days. These are free to anyone, just have to go pick up the qty you need at their aid stations. that is before and after a disaster. :nuke:

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...urvivalkit.jpg
Survival supplies in a knapsack
This grab-and-run, flame-resistant polyester knapsack contains many of the items you would need for basic survival. The photo shows 27 of them: bag for carrying drinking water, canned dried biscuits, canned bread, mineral water, flashlight, batteries, candles, matches, no-slip gloves, cotton towel, plastic bags, tissue papers, can opener, band aids, cotton gauzes, triangular bandage, bandages, cotton swabs, scissors, small forceps, tweezers, small plastic tarpaulin, rope, anti-dust mask, a whistle to call for help, a light with tiny built-in electric generator (just shake), and solid fuel.

This is the most unique item however....
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...lunderwear.jpg
Compressed underwear
The T-shirt and briefs have been compressed to a small 110 × 70 × 26 mm. Peel them open and they are ready to wear.

I'm concerned about a domino effect that is not being mentioned. They are so close together if the one goes the area will be evacuated and who is going to work in that radiation to keep the one next to it from melting down?

AS, Japan where the Tsunami hit, they had less than 1/2 hour to get out of dodge before the large Tsunami hit after the confusion of the quake. Not a whole lot of time when things are very rough and confused, yet, many of the Japanese were able to make it to high ground with their Gov't supplied individual kits.

Now that is a handy government program, very responsible of them.

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Originally Posted by OhioGrizzLapp

AS, Japan where the Tsunami hit, they had less than 1/2 hour to get out of dodge before the large Tsunami hit after the confusion of the quake. Not a whole lot of time when things are very rough and confused, yet, many of the Japanese were able to make it to high ground with their Gov't supplied individual kits.

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I have not heard anything about traffic jams before the sunami or looting. I am indeed impressed with the Japenese. The kit is just more reason to admire these people. I have also noticed that there are few young men in the refugee centers, I'm assuming they are out helping others. They meet thier challlenges head on!

If I recall the Hawaiian volcano was active just days before the earthquake shutting down the park due to toxic fumes, now this.
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/201...r-japan-quake/
Interesting.

KY - You do know that if something devastating happened in a domestic reactor that 200 miles may not be enough. The Clinton plant in Illinois is situated just about right for prevailing winds to carry fallout into Kentucky. Add a low pressure or high pressure and your surface winds may become a threat depending on which side of the front you are.

Then you have to add in research reactors scattered across the country as well as those places that actually make the rods like the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant in Kentucky. They have about 10 Billion gallons of contaminated water stored on site as well as the fuel. Add to that the transportation sector that moves spent fuel to Yucca Mountain.

And I think the Kentucky Legislature just lifted the moratorium on nuclear reactors in Kentucky so.........................

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Originally Posted by OhioGrizzLapp

Even though this is all bad, really bad, the Japanese people will get through this and yes with some help from us and a few other countries. They are a prep type of people and are somewhat disciplined when it comes to this type of disaster. Even the kids in school each have one of these back bags and they even have hard hats and a fire hood issued to them.....

Here is what every Japanese Citizen and even visitors are GIVEN by the Japanese gov't. You have seen these being carried by Japanese people in the news clips that have played the past few days. These are free to anyone, just have to go pick up the qty you need at their aid stations. that is before and after a disaster. :nuke:

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...urvivalkit.jpg
Survival supplies in a knapsack
This grab-and-run, flame-resistant polyester knapsack contains many of the items you would need for basic survival. The photo shows 27 of them: bag for carrying drinking water, canned dried biscuits, canned bread, mineral water, flashlight, batteries, candles, matches, no-slip gloves, cotton towel, plastic bags, tissue papers, can opener, band aids, cotton gauzes, triangular bandage, bandages, cotton swabs, scissors, small forceps, tweezers, small plastic tarpaulin, rope, anti-dust mask, a whistle to call for help, a light with tiny built-in electric generator (just shake), and solid fuel.

This is the most unique item however....
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...lunderwear.jpg
Compressed underwear
The T-shirt and briefs have been compressed to a small 110 × 70 × 26 mm. Peel them open and they are ready to wear.

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DAMN GOOD idea,,,,, we should do that here in this country too !

Great observation, AS. I saw some news reports last night commenting on this very thing- no looting!

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Originally Posted by Alaskan Survivalist

I have not heard anything about traffic jams before the sunami or looting. I am indeed impressed with the Japenese. The kit is just more reason to admire these people. I have also noticed that there are few young men in the refugee centers, I'm assuming they are out helping others. They meet thier challlenges head on!

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That's one of the more significant differences between them and us. The cultural mindset.
Over there they don't have the need to arm themselves up to their teeth against their fellow countrymen because they're busy helping others and generally making themselves useful.
Guns only make for a more "polite" society in a society that isn't polite to begin with. Think how different Katrina would have been if there were more than a handful of isolated cases of people helping people...if everyone mobilized and the govt. was as on the ball as the Japanese. I'd like to hear more of a promotion of that idea and less of barricading oneself against the golden horde. Frankly, I wish I was able to think more like that myself.
If we didn't have to fight our own people, the act of surviving would be much more productive, IMO.

the japanese have protected their culture. Their culture isn't diverse, their country isn't a melting pot. They have protected their culture so well it would probably make a skin head blush. What they have done to protect their culture would not happen here. Here it isn't politically correct.

Right on the money, nail on the head, randyt!

Ethnic groups in Japan:

Japanese 98.5%, Koreans 0.5%, Chinese 0.4%, other 0.6% note: up to 230,000 Brazilians of Japanese origin migrated to Japan in the 1990s to work in industries; some have returned to Brazil (2004)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ja.html

I am watching this disaster very closely as I did Haiti and Katrina. There are myriad lessons to be learned in each one.

The first thing that rings true through all three disasters is the lack of rampaging hoards that everyone is concerned with. Yes, there is looting and yes there are probably some deaths in all three disasters associated with ne'er-do-wells (Japanese gangs are pretty ruthless, too) but there have not been any armed groups parading through town raping, pillaging and plundering. In almost all circumstances it has been stranger helping stranger.

The second truth is that regardless of how well you plan, multiple disasters will unravel your plan to the core. Even the Japanese, who are masters of disaster planning, failed to recognize that a tsunami would wipe out their back up generators at the nuclear plants. The lesson here is exercise your plan and do so often. Even if you table top your plan for an earthquake you should ask yourself, Okay, now what happens if I also have to contend with a fire, thunderstorm, severe winter weather, etc. If you plan for only one event then you will likely be caught by surprise just as the Japanese were.

I've told this story before but for the newbies: I once audited a center that had just completed a multi-million dollar disaster contingency upgrade. I walked through the facility asking questions and receiving some pretty good answers. When we got to the basement where the backup generator had been installed I asked what happens when the sump pump fails? Everyone just looked at one another. No backups had been put in place. It happens to the best of us.

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Originally Posted by Rick

KY - You do know that if something devastating happened in a domestic reactor that 200 miles may not be enough. The Clinton plant in Illinois is situated just about right for prevailing winds to carry fallout into Kentucky. Add a low pressure or high pressure and your surface winds may become a threat depending on which side of the front you are.

Then you have to add in research reactors scattered across the country as well as those places that actually make the rods like the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant in Kentucky. They have about 10 Billion gallons of contaminated water stored on site as well as the fuel. Add to that the transportation sector that moves spent fuel to Yucca Mountain.

And I think the Kentucky Legislature just lifted the moratorium on nuclear reactors in Kentucky so.........................

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No place is nuke safe, just like the "cold war" era threats. You look at those maps and compare them to the old estimates of bomb strikes. We have now placed them on ourselves. The Peducah site is one of the largest in the world. I would get fallout from MO as well as some of the IL sites. the way the jet stream flows over my area I am barely in the wind patterns from the north or south. Stuff usually goes north of me due to the flow pattern not being true west to east.

It is unlikely I would be in an evacuation zone, which at Chernobyl, was 30 km out from the blast site. They were getting 1 rem/hr that far out.

Our only hope is that the containment vessels are strong enough to hold when the enevitable happens. That is what saved 3Mile Island. The vessels in the Jap plants are not that thick or that strong. Chernobyl was even weaker than the Jap plants are.

I have to find some of that compressed underwear!

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Originally Posted by greenbeetle

Great observation, AS. I saw some news reports last night commenting on this very thing- no looting!

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I noticed the same thing, no body running down the street with big flat screen TV and cigarettes....Maybe they all have big flat screen TVs

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Originally Posted by hunter63

I noticed the same thing, no body running down the street with big flat screen TV and cigarettes....Maybe they all have big flat screen TVs

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That has to be it! Or what else would be the reason?

I'll bet they don't even watch TV. If they did they would have known about the tsunami. They just make them and sell them to us. The next thing you know they'll be selling us watches.

Hey, on the fun side...
Just found out (not making this up) that Newt Gingrich cheated on his wife because he loves our country too much. (interview)
But I don't want to get political.

That was just da@#ed good. Even I couldn't take a Japanese tsunami thread and inset a Newt Gingrich comment in it. You, madam, are good.

Everyone needs a little levity in troubled times. And this was just too good to pass up.

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