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I am beginning to think that they will NOT be able to stop the oil from spewing into the gulf, The attempts thus far have failed Miserably as you know.
Its hard for me to imagine the Extent of Catastrophic damage that could happen if this spill is not stopped, Its already one of, if not THE, Biggest man made disaster, What will Happen if its not stopped ? Can it be stopped ? Do we Have the Technology to stop it ? I think Its just too Deep ,, What Is your GUT Feeling ?
It'll get stoped, it will just take far too long. the side drills will stop it but thats in augest. What there going to try next, cutting off the pipe and cap it, may just make it much worse when they fail at it. I think there just going through the motions so no one can say they didnt at least try everything they could, In court!
My feeling is, we are very wasteful and destructive, there ain't gonna be much left.
I wouldn't expect anything less.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeritageFarm
HeritageFarm, please remember (or if you didn't know - be aware) that religious discussions (along with political) are not allowed on the forum. Thanks.
They don't want to do the thing that can be done. Oil wells are imploded all the time to stop flow in the middle east. They just don't want to "waste the well" and would rather "waste the oil".. dumb arses. It's all about the money and cursory.
Has it been done underwater ? what If they blow a Bigger hole ? I agree with you that they want to "Save the well" , Tragic ,Quote:
Originally Posted by your_comforting_company
MOds, Maybe you can merge this thread with http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ad.php?t=12148
I started a thread because I wanted to poll, but the threads are still the same, My Bad, :blushing:
I consider them two entirely different topics, IMO.
Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
I hear they're letting it leak in order to reduce supply and raise profits.
These guys have the ability to do whatever they want. After all they're the most powerful, influential and profitable entity the world has ever seen.
Let's see. We can go to the moon, other planets, etc. but we can't plug a hole in the ground. For crying out loud!
I think they should not be allowed to drill one,if they can't fill one,ie. they should have a plan in place and approved by the EPA to control and stop a situation like this before they are ever given permits to begin drilling.
I seriously doubt that. If whomever is espousing that theory thinks that this is going to increase BP's bottom line, their thinking is seriously flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rwc1969
I agree with Crash,I think the sanctions they are going to get over this will far out weigh any benefit they would get from creating a scenario they can't control on purpose,if they did this to raise their profits,their thinking was seriously flawed.
And....wouldn't it be a lot easier, less expensive and generate a whole lot less horrible publicity to just scale back on refinery production if you want to impact supply. Like they need a reason to jack up the price to begin with.
At the moment I know we need to find a way to fix this "after the fact", but the real questions deserving of answers should be why did it happen? What will prevent it from ever happening again, and if it does how will we fix it?
Teams should already have been in place, paid for and pre-organized and drilled to respond timely to such a disaster. They were not at all prepared or in any stretch of the imagination organized. We didn't even know how to put the fire out, let alone cap the well.
Do we know why it blew up in the first place? Or why there isn't a shutoff at the base of the thing in case it blows up? Or why it malfunctioned? LF'nOL!
The rig is basically just a big pontoon boat tethered to the well by a mile or so long flexible and comparably weak hose. It has no structural value whatsoever. The only thing holding it in place is a computer controlled propulsion system which propels it back and froe to keep it in place and keep it from tearing free from the well and floating off. If the system malfunctions it will just tear free from the tether hose and oil will go everywhere, as it now has done.
This or something very similar has happened before. Did we learn nothing from those disasters? The oil was allowed to leak for months on end before and it is still being allowed so I guess the answer is No, we haven't learned squat. Seems we'd learn from our mistakes. We had to bring in teams from 350 miles to as far away as Holland to address this issue. Is there only one or two companys in the world that can handle this type of salvage, disaster recovery, etc.?
I have to say these kind of issues are really pointless to discuss because all the discussion in the world won't and has never changed a thing unless the people themselves are willing to change. It may relieve frustration for some, but not me. It frustrates me seeing so many people who are supposedly concerned about an issue, but do nothing to prevent it from ever happening in the first place.
If we discovered tomorrow that oil is the only cause of cancer or other disease and eliminating it's use would end the disease we would still consume oil at the same ever expanding rate. We wouldn't change a thing even if we had hard facts to prove it. We are unwilling to change.
A lot of people are harping on BP, but if it weren't for us using their oil they wouldn't be drilling. This issue is all our faults, anyone who uses oil. Everyone freaks when they see the oil on the beaches, cute lil duckies, and in the water, but we don't seem to mind breathing it in as we drive around all day sucking in the deadly toxic vapors from the car in front of us because those vapors are invisible and odorless. Out of sight out, of mind. We don't seem to mind drinking it in our water unless we can see or taste it.
Although this truly is a major disaster, it's probably nothing compared to the damage the everyday use of oil causes.
I can see change a comin, but unfortunately it will be long after my death that we actually learn to use our intelligence in a rational way where wisdom trumps bright ideas. A time when we think things thru and stop doing stupid **** just because we figured out how to do it.
If Einstien, Tesla, Edison, Ford and others were truly geniuses they would learn to keep their mouths shut, or at least wait until they have their demons on a leash before invoking them upon us all.
Check out the site and do what you can.
T Boone has been on the case for a long time, and he needs all the support he can get.
http://www.pickensplan.com
Well said RWC.
For the record, gas prices have gone down almost 50 cents here, since the oil leak started.
Should we boycott BP? I never buy gas from the BP here in town, mostly because it's British Petroleum. If it was American Petroleum, I would probably ONLY buy gas there. What else can we do besides NOT use their oil?
And why is British Petrol, drilling in the American Gulf of Mexico? Shouldn't this be an American company drilling in American waters?
And why did Obama say he accepts Full Responsibility? If this S hits the coast of another country, they are going to want to hold America accountable. Aren't we already in enough debt?
You don't want to know what I think about this and some other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Case
But IF this oil spill / gusher is not stopped then this drawing might show what the Gulf and oceans will look like >
http://rense.com/1.imagesH/oil_dees2.jpg
Well, I think all four have kept their mouth shut recently. That aside.
Oil is simply one more tool. Not good or bad. The fact is we've spent the better part of several hundred years using oil of one kind or another. First from whales and crude found in outcroppings. Everything we have and enjoy today, whether you live on grid or off, is a direct result of oil. Asking everyone to "stop using it" is a bit short sighted in my opinion. It's like asking everyone to stop breathing. It's okay in the near term but long term is going to be a real problem.
What we can do is become active in the political process and require our representatives to develop a national energy policy. We could convert vehicles to natural gas today. About 90% of natural gas is domestically produced. The U.S. has more than 2,200 trillion cubic feet of gas waiting to be pumped, enough to satisfy nearly 100 years of current U.S. natural-gas demand.*
That would go a long way toward weaning us from imported crude. Tax incentives to induce power companies to convert to natural gas in the short term and to build solar and/or wind generated power in the long term would make a huge difference and buy us time to figure out how to make efficient, cost productive and less polluting fuel cell or electric vehicles.
As to the Horizon platform, I've said before that everything BP does is just the cost of doing business. They have a terrible pollution history despite their green PR campaign. The fact that they did not install sufficient safety equipment on the well head was a calculated risk in my opinion. It would have cost in the neighborhood of $.5 million. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you. Looks like it was a mighty big bear this time.
*http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124104549891270585.html
He meant that It was His Job as Gov Leader to address the problem and make sure what could be done is being done, He has always made it clear that its BPs mess and they will pay for cleaning it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by your_comforting_company
Grandpa had a 80 something Fullsize Cheverolet truck he had converted to run on both propane and gas. I remember driving from MS to NM with no gas stop at all. That was around 25 yrs. ago. The permit cost eventually outweighed the savings...
I wonder why they dont drill the relief well directly into the top of the leaking well ? right down its throat !
Think of it as a large container that is under pressure and leaking through a small hole. The pressure and contents are already leaving through the existing hole. By drilling a relief hole, it will lower the pressure of what is escaping now. Once the pressure is lower capping it will be easier (nothing is easy 5,000 feet below the surface of the ocean). Remember, at that depth sea pressure is about 2,300 pounds per square inch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Case
Yeah, But , they had to deal with the pressure when they hit that pocket in the first place, when the original well was dug, seems like, they could drill through the damaged part of the well thats already there instead of drilling a whole now relief well, ?Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
I'm certainly no expert, but when the original drilling was taking place, the casing or piping had devices that would shut off the flow as the drill was removed. Once the rig and associated piping sank, mangling much of the "infrastructure", coupled with the failed safety device, there is nothing there to salvage. The current temp fix is to make a clean cut on the piping so that another can be attached to it and contain, divert the flow. If this was all taking place in 200 feet of water, the leak would have been stopped within a day or two in my opinion.
As would the new casing/drill, even if they punch it into the old well, I dunno, Just a thought,Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
I guess - in a way, that is what they are trying to do now as a temp fix until the relief wells can be completed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Case
Those Underwater Robots they are using are Amazing ! They are capable of doing the most tedious and Heaviest of tasks, Incredible Technology !
The saw got pinched. Lumber jacks they ain't.
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-sp...pe_in_bps.html
Here is the Live ROV stream, Good Picture ! much easier to see here than on tv,
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_inte...ov_stream.html
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