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Yeh, I can talk and split wood. May take a little break and enjoy a cup of coffee while talking with ya.
Hey, boss is back.
Wonder if those new guys disabled their vehicles after they ditched them? An extra battery and alt. would come in handy.
Those atvs are nice, but they leave a trail a blindman can follow.
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Originally Posted by volwest
To quote Will Smith's role in,Men in Black,"Now that's what I'm talking about."
vw has just addressed my two concerns in this one sentence.
1."My job was..."
The mission for this group has yet to be defined.The mission is what drives the military mind.If I'm going to risk my life, then I need to believe in the mission.Believe to the point that the mission is more important than my life, or yours.
2."and hold this position with 8 men."
Notice vw didn't say hold this position by himself.For this group to have any effectiveness in combat its going to have to train as a team.Train to the point that everyone starts thinking as one.
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Originally Posted by volwest
I have not given all info needed. I have a background also. One I wish not to divulge (sp?) at this time.. And if I am in this scenario I wanted to “observe” your camp with out you knowing I would and will. I feel a bit of angst towards me for my previous posts. I will post more tomorrow it is 1030 here and I am tired.. Interested but tired. I am sorry everyone about the trucks. They are of course ready and waiting. I left a lot of info out that I thought was common sense.
This goes back to another thread that was posted about a week or two ago
Everyone in the team/group needs to have the same motivation and philosophy for being there. The goal must be the same for all and all must be willing to work towards that goal. If not, get out of the team because you are a liability.
That was a good thread, what happened to it? Lumpy, if you find it read it. It will give you some input on a few of us here. Volwest has already analyzed us, probably has files on us as we speak.
Oh yeh, found my freak'n bino's.
Damn!
That Hatchet Jack was a wild one.
He was living with a female panther.
Two years in a cave
up in the Musselshell.
She never did get used to him.
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Originally Posted by FVR
Yes but again VW has shut it down. VW if you are the leader cool. Don’t want to go with us? Cool too. Like I said were pulling out in the morning. Good luck to you and yours. I was just trying to make this interesting, go read a book. Good thing you are on the left coast………..
Well, funny thing. I'm not even listed in the group.
Just one man, passing buy, chop some wood, dry wood to keep the smoke down during the day, no fires at night. Smokes easier to see at night.
Always trust my gut.
l'm half horse, half gator,
and a touch of the earthquake.
l got the prettiest gal,
fastest horse...
...ugliest dog this side of hell.
l can out-jump, out-run, throw down...
...drag out and whip
any man in all Kentucky.
Hmmm, RiM, as a hunter & the cook I might point out that taking rabbits in the summer is not always good. Tule...Tule...Rabbit fever, plus they don't have any fat which needs to be added somehow. Still, it seems to be a peaceful offer. And yes, FVR is with us, we just didn't mention him because we don't want all of our chips on the table either.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
I thought the mission was for us to survive and for as many in the group to survive as possible. He said the SHTF, which I assumed meant we are trying to survive it not go on some political mission.Quote:
Originally Posted by lumpy
I suppose it would be impotent for me to tell everyone in this scenario that although I can injure someone to protect myself and others, I cant take a life, not fore anyone but especially not for my self, however though I would not kill for the group I would die for the group, if that’s not enough for you guys just say the word and I’m gone, I will leave the group and try to survive it on my own.
Sarge, ya just making me feel all cozy.
Owl Girl, no one is asking you to kill anyone, you don't need to leave. Just don't fall asleep on watch, and if you see something not right make us aware.
Every person is diff., the common goal must be the same, but we all have our jobs to do. A tap on the shoulder, a quiet warning can be more productive than just opening fire.
Now, it's time to hit the sack.
See that tree over thar, yeh that one that's 50' from camp. To the right, I have built a small fox hole. What, you think I cut all that wood for the fire?
It's ground level, when it's my watch, just come over and I will hear you. Don't worry, I will know it's you.
Good night.
Oh yeh, keep the coffee hot.
Ok. I thought it would be more polite to tell people now instead of waiting until we’re in the middle of a battle lol. That’s cool that your ok with it but it is a team and the team needs to be ok with it. in the mean time im totally cool with keeping watch at night. I have no problem staying awake all night, lol that’s why I chose the name owl girl :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
You don't have to kill any one, owl girl. Just let someone know if things look out of sorts. In a pinch, just look mean, scream, and wave that machete around, you'll scare the dickens out of most people! BTW, no one knows for sure what they'll do until the time comes.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by owl_girl
A newbies perspective:
Make fvr and wareagle69 squad leaders in charge of patrols, defensive perimeters,and combat training.
sarge47 will be in charge of supplies,procurement and the coffee pot.
vw will the XO,with the additional duties of operations and intelligence.
Drum roll please.After much agonizing thought,I nominate nell67 as CO.She's old enough not to be stupid and young enough not to suffer from indecision.Plus if she can manage all those pimply faced kids at the ff restuarant,then she can surely manage us.
If you need me I'll be helping fvr chop wood.Maybe he'll share some of that Crown Royal his pictured with in his profile.lol
Now there’s those two words again, the ones that scared m in the first place (combat and train) you want combat training? If someone puts me in combat training I assume they intend for me to kill? And if I don’t would you still accept me in the group lumpy? Or would I be in the way? I need to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by lumpy
You sound like your building an army and I’m getting nervous.
I suppose I should be more specific. I can’t take a human life. I’m not opposed to going hunting or fishing, though I don’t think I’d be that good at it. I’d love to try spear fishing though. Anyway my point is I was only referring to humans and I’m not a vegetarian.
Volwest makes sense so fare. I’m cool with volwest being leader so long as he wants to. Actually I’m a little surprised you wanted to VW. I’d think we’d all annoy you to much lol. Also its easier to hide yourself then to hide a group. And I suppose hiding a small group is easier then hiding a large one…is that why you wouldn’t want more people?
Keep role playing ryaninmichigan. Lets see where this goes
Is anyone out there going to play bad guy or an unfriendly at any point in the game / experiment. Just a thought. In reality we’d probably run into one of those. I’d like to see where that goes.
owl_girl,combat and train should not scare you,it could save your life,it does not mean that you have to kill,just put up a good fight and while your at it make some noise,it wont get too far before someone from our group hears you and they will be there,even if that help comes through the scope of a gun from a distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by owl_girl
If you dont survive, we dont survive.Would I kill someone to save you? Yes,or die trying.
Nell, I'm promoting you to Corporal at least! Hooah!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nell67
Where do I start? VW, I am making this up based on Sarge’s original thread. The one where I was already accepted into the group. The part about coming into your camp is only a method of inserting myself and brothers into said group.
Also who said anything about combat? Relax put your sabers down. The guys looting the gas station were more then likely locals. I don’t think they will want to head this way anyway. All the free stuff is towards the last own. 3 hours away by car.
The rabbits we just happened to see so we shot them. We are not living off rabbit by any means. It has only been 1 day.
I am interested in forming a community where we all have something to bring to the table. Nothing more.
Any way just finished Breakfast and we are getting ready to pull out to get to the lake. The sunrise was red this morning. I think we need to get going so we can stay out of the rain.
Volwest, your first response was virtually impeccable. You can PM me if you want to tell me how you knew to put me on the left.
FVR, you were definitely always part of the group, a couple of pages ago I nominated you as a potential leader.
I can see RiM's point that he was trying to only keep things rolling based on the original posting, I'm cool with that, like I mentioned yesterday I was rattling on beyond where I had permission simply because there were few others here.
Owl_Girl, if we as a group are ever in a "combative" situation, there's a lot to be said for someone who can protect one's back if one is sniping. The ability to remain still, observe surroundings and warn if necessary. No one can watch all directions at all times no matter how good their training ergo, you're still helping group members. I'm sure anyone who has posted here so far who is capable of packing a rifle and squeezing the trigger will agree with me on that one.
Can't respond to everything I've read to date, cool to see everyone jumping in though.
Thanks owl-girl and rim.I was getting a little carried away.This certainly isn't about combat.(btw-I've never done that.)Substitute survival training for combat training.After all we aren't out to harm anyone unnecessarily. We just want to be left alone to practice our survival skills until this TSHTF situation plays itself out and everything gets back to normal.I still think the training is necessary to convince other groups,who may be less prepared than ourselves,that they had better leave us alone.
That’s reasonable enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by lumpy
It is indeed. I find the different twists that the possible scenario takes interesting, none of us know what might really be until it happens, and...the level of preparedness and "survival thinking" if I may, seems pretty good over all to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by owl_girl
LOL! lumpy,I feel my bones creaking already!Feel better knowing you are right up there along with me HAHAHA!Quote:
Originally Posted by lumpy
So, if we stay with the scenario as RiM has laid it out, he and his are heading for a lake tomorrow, are we..the group, travelling with them? That's if I'm still following all this correctly....:confused:
Doesn’t sound like it from what volwest said.Quote:
Originally Posted by trax
So what are your plans volwest?
RiM described the "unfriendlies" as "mildly armed" I don't know them but if anyone thinks I'm only mildly armed when I have a hunting rifle is making a mistake that is potentially fatal.
owl_girl said our mission is to survive. I agree absolutely, whatever that takes.
If I've been hunting out there for two days, I already know the location of the lake that RiM is heading for, Marscroft hasn't weighed in lately but I'm sure he would too. Scouting is only part of hunting. Animals go to water. In case we as a group decide to not join RiM and group, but head for the lake at a future date.
Sentry/Lrrp duties....blend in perfectly with the same skill set as one uses hunting. My preference would be sentry duties from say...11 pm to 5 am, can hunt before and after and catch some sleep midday.
And Sarge...yeah that coffee's improving, keep up the good work :D
first off to owl girl, even in combat situations we have support units ppl who can feed us, which you have already shown me an aptitude for wild edibles and also as a healer so rest easy youngster that we will support you and protect you.
rim, for some reason you always seem to ruffle my feathers don't know why yet, but contrary to your post you would not be able to observe our base camp w/o being detected yourself, i am not saying this out of ego i am saying this out of fact, as it was my job for six years.
as for fvr you are always welcome at my fire, i will need to rely on your wisdom at council.
Here is the story.
RiM is sitting outside our camp for 30 plus minutes deciding if he wants to come in.
He sees Sarge, Owl Girl, Nell, does not see Trax or any hunters. He sees me back off cutting wood.
He does not see WE who while out on patrol, heard vehicles. He rendezvous with Lumpy (two Rangers). Lumpy is working his way back from whence RiM came. WE has his cross hairs on RiM.
RiM makes his move. He is no dummy, he holsters his pistol, slings his rifle. But, the pistol thong is not on, and he carries his rifle muzzle down, on back, easy to pull around and fire. WE picks this up.
WE has been radioing VW. VW is aware that RiM us coming in. He shouts, Hello the camp. As any woodsman knows, if you don't, you get shot. Even in the 21'st century.
First person to meet RiM is Sarge, with a pot of coffee and two cups. He gives RiM a hot cup of coffee, thus tieing up his one hand. VW is pissed, WE still has the crosshairs on RiM, but needs to re position for any other visitors. The woodcutter has dis., Rim has noticed this. WE can not get the woodcutter on the radio, WE is really mad, VW is getting their.
WE calls Lumpy, Lumpy throws his scope on the woodcutter, he's gone, well, he has a rifle pointed at RiM. He is located behind the woodpile. Lumpy radio's WE, WE radio's VW. VW's back is covered. WE knowing this fades off and re positions.
VW comes out and he and RiM speak. RiM has noticed that there are a few deer hanging, but no hunters. The woodcutter is gone. He asks VW, and is informed that the woodcutter has him in his crosshairs.
They talk.
What do they talk about? I don't know as my radio is dead.
RiM gets up and leaves. When he passes the perimeter, the woodcutter backs off and re positions on the other side of camp about 60 yards out. Why, because RiM knows the other position.
WE picks up RiM when he works his way back to the atv.
Where is Lumpy?
VW calls Sarge and the woodcutter to his shelter where he advises both of them of his concerns. WHY THE HELL WERE THEY ABLE TO SEE OUR FIRE!
Sarge and the woodcutter leave. Sarge spreads out the coals more, the woodcutter makes damn sure all the bark is off the wood and that it is dry, no green.
Later that night, I work my way over to the wood pile. WE sneaks out and says "what's wrong with your radio" I reply it's dead.
Oh.
However, we followed pre set proceedures for visitors coming into camp.
WE takes a shot of Royal and dissapears. Again.
WTF is Lumpy?
What is happening here is just what would happen for real.
VW and RiM's pers. conflicts.
The fear of being over powered.
The fear of having to do something that you don't think you can do.
Questioning authority.
When RiM leaves, he knows: There is a woodcutter with a gun. Must be a hunter as they have deer. There are a few woman. Sarge makes good coffee.
What he does not know, WTF is WE and Lumpy and if they even exist.
What, you mean writing this book.
six yrs army ranger
trained as a sniper/lrrp and as a medic.
rode bulls for yrs(not a valuable skill but i got balls)
professional record as a cage fighter 6-1-0
wild edibles are my passion.
weapons
got a shotgun a rifle and a four wheel drive cause a country boy can survive
hey that's catchy someone should write a song.
9mm
sks
ak47
30-06
300 weatherby magnum
.45
all in storage where my new government can't see it but still legal in my old country.
whitetail II compound bow.
several good hunting knives
well versed in muay Thai, brazilian ju jitsu and knife fighting.
and a wife who can handle her own.(plus she's easy on the eyes which keeps me in a good mood and don't have to worry about snuggling w/ trax) oh yeah i also have norm.
hey fvr did i miss something you said two rangers in the woods?
Isn't Lumpy a Ranger?
was that in a post somewhere,also question for the dungeon master here but what time of year is it here.
My bust, he's Airborne.
High-Speed, Low-Drag
saw that at least he made it thru my jump school at benning so he has chewed that same red dirt as you and i.
Ok fine I’ll say I won’t purposefully take a humane life if that makes more sense. If someone were strangling me I wouldn’t try to kill him, I’d try to get away and if he died it would be an accident and not a conscious choice. If I were thinking clearly I would not make the discussion to kill. If someone’s pointing a gun at someone I can step between them and take the bullet myself or try to distract them in some way or use pepper spry something like that but I’m not going to try to kill them. I’m ok with talking about it if you have anything else you want to say or questions you want to ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest