Is that with 5.56?Quote:
Originally Posted by TresMon
If so, about how much does a 5.56 drop in 1,000 yds, and about how much energy does it have left, when it gets there?
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Is that with 5.56?Quote:
Originally Posted by TresMon
If so, about how much does a 5.56 drop in 1,000 yds, and about how much energy does it have left, when it gets there?
:thumbup::creepy:
Perfect score?..... as in 0? That is a perfect score, right?
Yep, 5.56Quote:
Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit
My handload (80 grain Sierra matchkings) in my rifle required 28 3/4 moa elevation in a DA atmosphere of 2600' (DA= Density altitude, the way pilots and long range shooters calculate and express the thickness of the air on a given day for a given shot.)
Or in simple terms It dropped 287.5 inches.
It arrived on target in 1.75 ish seconds with roughly 220 ft. lbs of energy. Which is slightly more energy than a back up .380 pistol has at the muzzle.
that's some good shooting. Where does a guy like me learn to shoot like that or at least get close to that?
Exactly. In NRA long range compettion you start out with a perfect score or 100%. Each hit in the 10 ring is a −0. each 9 ring is a −1, each 8 ring is a −2 points and so on. The x ring is a bonus. If you shot a 100% with 8 x's and I got a 100% with 9x, I win. So yes you want every shot to be a zero, or an X better yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
There's many long range shooting instructors that would be happy to help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by randyt
The amount of energy is about what I expected, but I'm suprised at the amount of "drop". I expected much more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TresMon
I have only shot at that distance one time. I was able to keep all 5 of my shots in the 10 ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by TresMon
OK...OK.....the 10 foot ring. LOL:whistling:
All this ballistic stuff is fine and cool and all, but really of no particular use other than KNOWING where and how your rifle shoots at the range.
Always good to know this before you decide to pull the trigger for anyone..
The OP deals with real life scenarios in a particular area and simple states the most people are not gonna need a long range sniper/tactical type firearm....as a foraging type firearm.
The advantage of the .223/5.56 in a AR (or other configuration) is high cap mags, allowing a lot of projectiles in the air in a short amount of time.......hence a lot of ammo requirements (heavy)
Personally I would never consider shooting at much of anything at 1000 yds or meters or what ever, unless it was made out of paper/metal,...Not big enough for a clean kill...hence still not my choice as a forging firearm.
JMHO
RandyT, check into an Appleseed shoot in your area.
http://appleseedinfo.org/index.html
They'll give you the basics on rifle marksmanship drill. You have to practice before going so you know your rifle, and if you can, practice the three shooting positions until you can assume them quickly and comfortably (they'll help you with that if you don't know em). Then you have to practice (a lot) after to sharpen the skills. Many can walk away from an Appleseed comfortable out to 600 yards.
If you have CMP matches in your area (sanctioned or local) try hooking up with them too. Most of the guys who shoot competition are more than willing to help out a newb and won't lead them astray. At least the ones I've met doing bullseye pistol and CMP on a Garand team. Most of the guys shoot AR too. On the line they are all business though. You're on your own once you step on the competition line.
Yeah buddy! I love my AR as well. I have only shot it out to 500 yards but anything within that range is dead meat!:eek2:
Thanks Lowkey, I'll be checking into that.
Frist line of your quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
Well no sir not just info to use AT THE RANGE. It's this info alone that allows Mil snipers and extended range hunters to do what they do, in the real world, in the field.
Per the rest of your quote:
I understand. Nor do I advocate using a .223 beyond whatever range it's energy drops below 500 ft'lbs of energy. The 500 lb. mark is what Army brains figure to state the maximum effective range of a weapon. Civvy ballistic techs use the same number- 500 Ft. Lb's of energy as the lower limit to ethically and cleanly kill dear. Obviously it's not a 1K yd. deer rifle. (per this rule of thumb it;s easily a 300 yard deer rifle.) For the record I trained with the little .223 at 1K yards for two years merely to (try) to give myself a PHD in doping thewind. I have a custom magnum of my build I use for (VERY) extreme long rage field applications.
However it appears to me you contradict yourself. From earlier in this thread:
My dogma exactly. We woodsmen know that the more multipurpose an item taken into the woods is, the greater it's value. That's why I encourage and train others in long range shooting. In my mind the average gun guy is kinda like carrying claw hammer. He know;s what the head does, but he also has a claw on it too, but does not know it's there nor how to apply it. ANY caliber rifle 99% of guys carry into the woods can be used at much further range than they realize. Even your .22 LR- I train with mine out to 250 yards where I can hit "melons" 9 of 10 shots, more times than not 10/10.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
If a guy teaches himself to use his (whatever) "meat for the pot" rifle at it's maximum range, now he has two tools in one. 1. A "meat for the pot rifle" and 2. a weapon to " keep the threat ..."Over there." He now is using the whole hammer. I teach "stand off" tactics for collapse scenario. One guy with his .22 rifle against the "zombies" at "normal range" can not come close to being as effective for the good team as a man or men who can compently use a .22 at it's maximum range - 250ish yards to pop melons.
Lastly:
Thats only the "head" side of the AR claw hammer. Since I can CONSISTENTLY engage zombie size targets at 700 yards and beyond- I have 3 rifles in one. 1. a meat for the pot rifle. 2. a high volume of fire defensive rifle. 3. and a Long range stand off rifle. I can hold off the zombies as far as the eye can see in most terrians here E. of the missippii river while my buddies and loved one's scurry safely away.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
I suggest you use the whole hammer. Regardless of the size & color of hammer you prefer.
I think we believe and agree of the same things Mr. Hunter. Thanks for your input & various posts. I like them.
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Originally Posted by TresMon
If it has to be tipped over at 1,000 yards, I'll just practice E&E. Second option would be my .300 Ultra Mag. with it's 12X optic.
I don't have a problem with long range shooting, just not a small rifle at game.
Everyone should know how, get the training for technique, know your firearm, and practice a lot.
I'm not about to argue or even discuss personnel preferences, you stated yours, I stated mine... even though you kinda took my statement out on context, particularly with some one that is proficient at 1000 yds....LOL.
I understand sir but you'd have to agree thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
Is a valid skill that is good to have on behalf of your loved ones. THEN you can E & E!Quote:
Originally Posted by TresMon
Mr. Hunter I'm with ya sir and sorry you felt I took you out of context.
Fellahs, I'm the monkey that's throwin' the hammer around the cage just because I can. If I hit something out to a couple of hundred yards I'm usually honkin' the horn and tellin' folks about it all the way home. Ranges around here only go out to 100 yards anyway so all my battles will be held at that range even if I have to walk over to the enemy's line and ask them to scoot closer a couple of yards.
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Originally Posted by TresMon
Snivle.......snivle......"I don't have any Loved ones........:sad:
I have heard there are not many ladies in AK. It was also related to me the if you have a woman and make her mad that it's not divorce up that way rather "you loose your turn" at least for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
From the pics I have seen there looks like there's plenty of wide open spaces in the tundra. How far have you stretched your 300 RUM out to?
You, uh, do know there are LADIES on here from AK, right? My only fear is the shock wave may reach all the way to me. Well, it's been nice knowing you, Tresmon. However short it was.
Oh, Oh....this might be bad......
Might be? The only person I wouldn't want to tangle with worse than 1st is Winnie......or B.......Oh, or Nell.....or BornThatWay....or....Oh, it's gonna be baaaaaaaad.
Bad indeed. Anybody want to escape to Florida to watch the carnage?
Popcorn - check.
Chair - check.
Bullet proof glass - check.
Umm I missed something. ?? Okay yes there are Ladies on here. Check... there's lots and lots of ladies in the lower 48. Makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I never been to AK... and was told there were not many ladies there at all. ?? That it's predominatly a male population. ??? Nice knowing me? I'm really lost. And it was related to me that the marriage/divorce/marriage again divorce again culture of the lower 48 states is well a lower 48 thing.
??? somebody draw me a picture? I have never been there. Why do I feel like the naive juvenile that doesn't get the joke?
TresMon, could you stand a little farther away. Over there. No further. I don't want to get spattered when the ladies ON HERE get to you.
LOL.
Is the man to woman ratio in AK a taboo or something?????????? Or is the ratio just like in the 48 and someone was pulling my leg?Quote:
Originally Posted by LowKey
I think it was the "loose your turn" comment that got you killed.
DEAD MAN WALKING!
Why is that? I mean I live here in the south and I have "lost my turn." Back when I was a young fella me and a girlfriend would get in a fuss and break up- "loose a turn" as I was told it was said in AK. Then we'd get back together. It's just what silly young'uns do. The fella That told me that term, Pete, (said he was from a spec of a town called Mosquito Lake, AK) also said some other sayings I had never heard. He had some unique sayings. Neat guy. I helped him change his tire on his truck. That's why we ended up jawing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Gosh that was years ago I was a pup.
They are just messing with you Tresmon.
Some time after WWII, men became concerned over women's opinion and started to fear their wrath.
Not me, just look at all the elected officlas after womens suffrage.
(hope I drew some of your fire Tresmon. "I'm up, I'm moving, I'm down")
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Well I am not afraid of women in the least. I grew up with 6 sisters, and am now living with 2 girlfriends. As long as they know who's boss everthing is OK. My current girls are very laid back and sweet, but my sisters were meaner than snakes! But they taught me a lot of valuable lessons on getting along with women.
These hard learned secrets are all mine and I am not sharing them with any of you guys............buahahahahaha!
Not afraid. That's because they aren't reading what you're writing. Not afraid, indeed.
Steps slowly away from chat.
What have I done??:noway:
Um.. quick.... uh-
HEY what do yall think about having a bayonet for your .22 in case of a zombie attack?!?!?!?
Hello? anyone? Nothing, nothing but crickets chirping. uh-oh.
This has been fun to read.------Sure lost track of -- whatever the fallout was on need for battle rifle?
I can`t help tellin ya`ll, I carry a cast net , two 4" jaw traps , one 380 hideout , one over under 20 gauge/22. I figure I will have more luck finding 22 ammo than any of the "exotics". Got a real good water filter, got a fire starter that I shave magnesium off of and I want ya`ll to know, that is the easiest and best way to go for fire tech. I carry five knives. got all needs covered. My wife came across the same idea about - how much weight are you carrying-- We weighed my kit and it comes to 37 pounds. Them Kim talked me into two inflatable bladders for flotation. My kids are grown and gone. If me and Kim ain`t fightin when the crap happens , well , I`ll be very capable of taking care of us. If we are fighten then I`m goin to be some kinda pissed for her makin me go to all the extra.---------- And she will pay with many denied dreams . jude24&25
stay alert Canable
I do not fear women in the least! I told my girls that when they start becoming a pain in the rear, it is time to go. I do not put up with arguing and fighting, it's that simple. We are not married so they can be put on the road with no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
But in their defense, they are very sweet polite girls, and I think they hate fighting as much as I do, so we really never have those kinds of problems.
Just remember, ya gotta sleep sometime....more difficult with two......carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildthang
I just thought of something, if after a SHTF situation you are savaging for ammo. If you find ammo I would think a gun of the same caliber would be close, because who would take the gun and leave the ammo....
The guy that took the gun and all the ammo he could carry.