You DON'T need a battle rifle.

[Wildthang]

I have always had the opinion that if I could only have 1 gun to survive with, it would be a .22 long rifle. The shorts and subsonic ammo is not loud, it is cheap, easy to pack, and it will take dear if need be! Now in a SHTF scenario, I would also want my AR as long as I had the means to transport it to my bug out location.
As far as people, I think I would try to warn them to stay away, and act accordingly after that. If a man and a women with 3 kids came along, I would most likely invite them to my site and interrogate them until I felt comfortable that they were good people with no ill intents. But if a couple of guys wandered into my territory, they would either move on or else. If they refused to move on, I would take whatever action necessary to protect my position.
In a true SHTF situation, I feel there will be very few people you can trust, but a family with kids could probably be trusted to some degree.

[Rick]

Yeah, sure. Then you find out the kids are pygmy ninja's and, snap, just like that you and your two live in girlfriends are toast.

[SARKY]

or ON toast!

I don't think anyone is arguing that a .22lr is the cats meow in a simple survival off the land scenario, it's the SHTF scenario that has the greatest difference of opinion. However, a .308 battle rifle can take any game in north america (provided you hit what you're aiming at)

[BENESSE]

or ON toast!

I don't think anyone is arguing that a .22lr is the cats meow in a simple survival off the land scenario, it's the SHTF scenario that has the greatest difference of opinion. However, a .308 battle rifle can take any game in north america (provided you hit what you're aiming at)

I was humming along until you had to throw in that little technicality.

[hunter63]

Note to self, make sure I have a couple of kids with me before knocking......I'll just say I'm the grandpa?...Uncle?....yeah, good idea, hope they aren't too whinny.....

[Wildthang]

Well all I'm saying is it would be hard to just shoot people with kids. But I guarantee you I would watch them close for a long time if I let them in my camp!
So how would you guys handle it, inquiring minds want to know?

[hunter63]

As the OP involved foraging vs defense, I would suggest that maybe a discussion of security/defence/tactics be a subject of it own thread?

[Rick]

Hunter - Hire some midgets (little people, whatever). They won't whine.

[crashdive123]

Hire me (business is slow) and tell them I'm your grandson..........OK - and that I have a thyroid problem.

[hunter63]

I suppose having two GF's one could kinda stand out being the "misses" Du jour (spelling?), while the other is in a secure location with the MBR's laser sight on the most likely threat.......numbers will count.
Best to have a location where there is a common intrest, and back up.........Not in walking distance of a large city...if you are out side a city.

[Rick]

Or....they could just shove you out the front door and watch for where the puffs of smoke come from. Just sayin'....

[BENESSE]

With 2 girlfriends, he just doubled his chances of getting shot inside his home, never mind, outside.

[lucznik]

With 2 girlfriends, he just doubled his chances of getting shot inside his home, never mind, outside.

I don't believe the danger would increase in a linear fashion... I'm guessing it would be exponential.

If a man and a women with 3 kids came along, I would most likely invite them to my site and interrogate them until I felt comfortable that they were good people

You planning on disarming them before you start interrogating them? How exactly would you accomplish this?

Personally, my equipment is more targeted (pun intended) toward foraging and hunting chores. Should I decide I need a "battle/assault" rifle later, I'll just knock off one of the mall ninjas running around and take theirs.

[crashdive123]

Ahhhhh. Just sitting here thinking about ole Spud.

[BENESSE]

Who be Spud?

[crashdive123]

Who be Spud?

He stopped by about three of four years ago looking for couples to join him and his survival group. He was rather surprised that coming to an internet forum full of anonymous personalities that his request was viewed with a bit of a critical eye. It made for light reading - clearing shooting lanes and all of the other chores that the "group" performed.

[Winter]

Should I decide I need a "battle/assault" rifle later, I'll just knock off one of the mall ninjas running around and take theirs.

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[Rick]

Somewhere in Idaho is a fellah wanting free work done close to the cemetery. Real close to the cemetery.

[hunter63]

Well, SD, where we go, swirling around the bowl, getting ready to be flushed down......."Came far, Pilgrim"............"Seems far"

[TresMon]

I consider an AR to be a 22 magnum......

With my AR I'm 7 shots for 7 dead whitetail deer, last one was at a lazed 413 yards with a witness in a 3/4 value wind. He ran 20 yards straight towards us and crashed without another quiver.

I also got two perfect scores @ 1000yards on NRA regulation LR prone targets, with witnesses, with an AR.


Try that with your .22 mag...

Edit: originally took the statement to be against Ar's, in more reading found Winter was actually pro AR. Umm okay. I'm good now.