But he said you know where you are. That implied to me I know the area. If that's the case then I would know the water is still cold.
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But he said you know where you are. That implied to me I know the area. If that's the case then I would know the water is still cold.
Not in necessarily, and you can take 55 degree water temps. stopping at night for building a fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I still have to travel by land. I don't have a choice because I can't build a fire with sticks. It would certainly slow me down.
So if I walk up to you and say do you know where bumfu*k egypt is you can say why yes and the water temp in june is this?
How much marsh do you figure you would have to travel through?
Use what ever resource you can for information sense yore not actually there.
I still won't take to the water wearing cotton clothes in those temperatures. What I really don't know are what the currents or prevailing winds are. I didn't check those out because I knew I wouldn't take to the water. I might even make faster time on land.
Bro, I know you well enough from chating on here to know that if you needed to you could make a fire with bow saw.
No Beo. I'm just going by the fact he said I know the area. Everything had to be looked up to make any determinations. Even which direction to travel. But once I knew the water temps I decided it wasn't for me.
I think at least 50% of the over land travel is going to be through marshes and bogs.
Are there any other options for fire building?
Rivers run south into lakes and following the shore say 10 to 15 feet off and you'll run into another river, take that as it runs south too, if you hit land cause river dead ends hoof it till you hit another river.
Get your directions from the sun, then head south.
I'm assuming you know the area and it looks like some 40 miles if I travel west southwest.
Beo - I am so bad at fire with sticks I wouldn't even waist my time. I think one of the keys to survival is to know your limitations.
Fire options... hmmmmm.
True bro, 78910.
Looks like plent of hardwood and pine or spruce. The glass coke bottle is a possiblity if the clouds are limited. Don't know about finding flint in this terrain.
duh why didnt i look at the map on my first respones i gouss it is in my home state haha
I think fire by wood, flint/chirt or coke bottle are the only options I can see.
Come on people throw in help here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man, I'd give 53 cents to be able to start fire easily
PGV - What kind of ground are we on? Is this marsh as in I can walk around the water or am I wading through a swamp like environment for tens of miles?
I can get the fire going with a fire bow, its the food in marshes that would be trouble, plants ok but meat where? frogs, snakes maybe, guess I gotta try some fish if I can get any.
Yeah... what he said. :D
How deep is the marsh because if the water level is knee high then the mud is another 6 inches at least.
Well this is great. Here I am stuck in the middle of a knee deep marsh and the guide is dead. Hello?
Meat... muskrats, beavers, martins, birds...
Hey! Carcajou! Is that you? Sling one of those muskrats in my direction. Does this swamp reak or what?
I believe everyone is starting to get the picture. The land is very wet but you could find some high land to travel but expect most of it to start out in the marshes. Your feet and legs would quickly start to feel the effect of water in the 50 degree temperatures. Your pop bottle might be used to start a fire but more than likely you would have to break it. Boiling of the water would definitely be needed, you could start feeling the effect of beaver fever in about a week from drinking untreated water. Utilizing a boat of some sorts would be you best bet. The great lakes winds would be blowing from the west or southwest. Rivers would move you along in the marsh areas.
There's no one answer that a person could make under those circumstances that would be best, but the better your skills the more likely you get out alive. many trappers found themselves in similar situations a few hundred years ago.
Right now food is not my big concern. How deep the bogs are is.
Swamp mostlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
And they followed the rivers south, to safety.
Could be really bad at first!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beowulf65
"The Voyageurs" By Grace Lee Nute (which I have) tells of the waterways in the winter and how they handled them groups of two to five in canoe.
Did you state that right? The west would be FROM the west or southwest? Wouldn't that push you in the opposite direction of where you want to go? North to Northeast?
So to stay alive you suck it up and trudge on to the Ranger objective of firmer ground, that or squat down and die, NEVER GIVE UP!Quote:
Originally Posted by pgvoutdoors
The only thing the rivers would lead you to is Lake Michigan then you have to cross the lake. I guess I'm confused.
No winds would be blowing from west to east southeast.
Probably the first signs of hypothermia setting in.
Most swamps/marshes have channels dug out by beavers and water currents, trying to follow them in some sort of water craft should make it easier if not twistier. Our marshes have very soft and deep bottoms trudging through up here would not be good exhausting at the best.
Sorry for the smell will wash feet next time:eek:
Okay east through the straights of Mackinaw into Lake Superior. This is getting ugly.