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[QUOTE=Sourdough;320886]I did not imply that you said this. I have heard people from time to time make this rediculous comparison and am most definately aware that you know the difference. Sorry if this was confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by glockcop
I most definately agree with you on this one, my man. but I also agree with this one by Winter...."I'd much rather hunt with the .223 then be in a gunfight with the .22 mag."......Both very sound advice hahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
Nah, this aint about to get ugly. We all have our opinions about what is best in any given situation. It's all in fun/entertainment. Sour, Winter, and myself have varying views on this but I think it is a subject that we all can bring a little something home with. Bottom line if I am going into harms way, I want a AR. If I'm going to fill my stew pot, I want a .22 mag. If/When things get real bad and we have to head for the hills, my. 22 mag Single Six will probably be in a cross draw, a Glock on the strong side, and the AR will be across my chest. Yep, that's alot to lug around but it just goes to show that there is NO perfect tool for everything. It just gives us excuses to buy more guns, hahaha!. Every person here will have their own prefered set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel
All this being tossed around, my preference for foraging would be the lowly .22 short/.22 lr over a 22 mag......weight wise, and meat destroyed.
I can't see any advantage to a .22 mag over a .22 Lr.
.223 is more of a "destroy what you hit round", for varmints, both kinds.
Yes a .22 lr is a better out of a rifle than a .22 mag for not destroying as much meat on small game. But I am using a .22 mag in a revolver which essentially knocks it back down to higher end .22 lr ballistics. That is my reasoning for using a .22 mag in a pistol to begin with because I will have .22 lr ballistics from my pistol and not need to lug around another long arm. Good point to bring up.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
well if you are going to be hauling around an AR why not bring a dedicated .22lr upper for it as well?
Because my Single Six carries alot easier than another AR upper and there is very little I can't hit at 50 yards on back with the S/S.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
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Originally Posted by hunter63
Hunter, If I lived in the Lower 48, I agree I would choose my CZ Model 453 with it's single set trigger. Here I want the added horse-power too harvest black bears, caribou, sheep, goats, wolves, and smaller fur bearers (Fox, Coyote, etc.) with the .22 Magnum.
I do have to agree that a .22 or .22mag make a lot more sense that a battle rifle in most scenarios, unless you are going looking for a fight.
Now if you are alone, maybe not a good idea.....bad guys thending to be cowards and bullies, to run in packs (absolutely no references or research, just experience)
Some how the paranoid part of us seems to take over, .22 good, .22 mag better, why not just go to the Ar in .223.....but ya know I really rather have a .308.....or .460...
It will never end.
So far I think my grab guns will be the Savage M24 .22mag/.20 ga, Ruger Single Six, and maybe the Ruger LCR......or just a 12 ga pump.
Good post Hunter. I think many confuse survival food procurement with war enviroment.
I'm think that was your point to start with,........ but seems the battle rifle is prefered by a lot of people........or , a glock .40....45 1911...of wht use in the woods they would be, don't know, don't own either one......(here we go again?)
Have actually defined a battle rifle? Would the new Ruger scout rifle be considered a battle rifle?
My definition is AR, AK, or variants, or any thing "military style" with large cap magazines capable of high of rate of fire.
Technically an AR and AK are assault weapons and NOT battle rifles. A battle rifle has to be a full length round ie .308, 30-06, .303. 8mm Mauser etc.
OK, can't argue with that....but I guessing that most will reference an "assault weapon" (unknowingly) as their preference as a "Main Battle Rifle".Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
Thanks for clearing that up.
:idea: Why lug/purchased a .22 dedicated upper for your ar when you can get one of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ar22stcokitw.html
I have used a http://www.22lrconversions.com/atch-pg.htm for over 20 years without any problems. A couple of 30 Rd mags = loads of fun. I carry it in my vehicle BOB.
Less then one minute from .223 to .22 lr and just as easy to convert back from .22 to .223.
I haven't weighted mine but I think with the plastic storage container I beleive it weights less then 1 lbs
Kinda liking that conversion, Beans....Thanks for the link.
Old Soldier had a similar conversion kit at the first Jamboree. Simple to install - he said it shoots well.
Thanks for the link. Too bad they don't make it in 22 mag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beans
I'll stick with my AR-15.
I have always had the opinion that if I could only have 1 gun to survive with, it would be a .22 long rifle. The shorts and subsonic ammo is not loud, it is cheap, easy to pack, and it will take dear if need be! Now in a SHTF scenario, I would also want my AR as long as I had the means to transport it to my bug out location.
As far as people, I think I would try to warn them to stay away, and act accordingly after that. If a man and a women with 3 kids came along, I would most likely invite them to my site and interrogate them until I felt comfortable that they were good people with no ill intents. But if a couple of guys wandered into my territory, they would either move on or else. If they refused to move on, I would take whatever action necessary to protect my position.
In a true SHTF situation, I feel there will be very few people you can trust, but a family with kids could probably be trusted to some degree.
Yeah, sure. Then you find out the kids are pygmy ninja's and, snap, just like that you and your two live in girlfriends are toast.
or ON toast!
I don't think anyone is arguing that a .22lr is the cats meow in a simple survival off the land scenario, it's the SHTF scenario that has the greatest difference of opinion. However, a .308 battle rifle can take any game in north america (provided you hit what you're aiming at)
I was humming along until you had to throw in that little technicality.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
Note to self, make sure I have a couple of kids with me before knocking......I'll just say I'm the grandpa?...Uncle?....yeah, good idea, hope they aren't too whinny.....
Well all I'm saying is it would be hard to just shoot people with kids. But I guarantee you I would watch them close for a long time if I let them in my camp!
So how would you guys handle it, inquiring minds want to know?
As the OP involved foraging vs defense, I would suggest that maybe a discussion of security/defence/tactics be a subject of it own thread?
Hunter - Hire some midgets (little people, whatever). They won't whine.
Hire me (business is slow) and tell them I'm your grandson..........OK - and that I have a thyroid problem.
I suppose having two GF's one could kinda stand out being the "misses" Du jour (spelling?), while the other is in a secure location with the MBR's laser sight on the most likely threat.......numbers will count.
Best to have a location where there is a common intrest, and back up.........Not in walking distance of a large city...if you are out side a city.
Or....they could just shove you out the front door and watch for where the puffs of smoke come from. Just sayin'....
With 2 girlfriends, he just doubled his chances of getting shot inside his home, never mind, outside.
I don't believe the danger would increase in a linear fashion... I'm guessing it would be exponential.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
You planning on disarming them before you start interrogating them? How exactly would you accomplish this?Quote:
Originally Posted by wildthang
Personally, my equipment is more targeted (pun intended) toward foraging and hunting chores. Should I decide I need a "battle/assault" rifle later, I'll just knock off one of the mall ninjas running around and take theirs. :alucard:
Ahhhhh. Just sitting here thinking about ole Spud.
Who be Spud?
He stopped by about three of four years ago looking for couples to join him and his survival group. He was rather surprised that coming to an internet forum full of anonymous personalities that his request was viewed with a bit of a critical eye. It made for light reading - clearing shooting lanes and all of the other chores that the "group" performed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
You may need this.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucznik
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/prod...k_lunchbox.jpg
Somewhere in Idaho is a fellah wanting free work done close to the cemetery. Real close to the cemetery.
Well, SD, where we go, swirling around the bowl, getting ready to be flushed down......."Came far, Pilgrim"............"Seems far"
With my AR I'm 7 shots for 7 dead whitetail deer, last one was at a lazed 413 yards with a witness in a 3/4 value wind. He ran 20 yards straight towards us and crashed without another quiver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winter
I also got two perfect scores @ 1000yards on NRA regulation LR prone targets, with witnesses, with an AR.
Try that with your .22 mag...
Edit: originally took the statement to be against Ar's, in more reading found Winter was actually pro AR. Umm okay. I'm good now.