iM JUST GONNA GO WITH A .25 ACP , i dont think ill have any problems!
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iM JUST GONNA GO WITH A .25 ACP , i dont think ill have any problems!
You know if I lived some place that I thought I could even remotely "NEED" a battle rifle, do you know what I would buy........??? I would buy a ticket to some place a hell'of lot safe, where I did not need a battle rifle.
SD, the days will start getting longer in 20 more days.
SD, Being in alaska, arent you already there?
Where I live, Yes. But Alaska has some large cities, with all of the classic big city problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoryD
Like Anchorage, Nome, Fairbanks, etc...Alaska is just like anywhere else, but colder...and with more bears..and mountains. and tundra..and...oh...nm Alaska is pretty much only like Alaska ; ) But in an attempt to get the thread back on track, If you can avoid people, generally you shouldnt need a MBR, but I wouldnt say you dont ever need one.
Well I have moved passed "need" a long time ago......just doing "want".....But with discretion.
That's the gold standard, hunter.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
But if you hadn't been realistic on the "need" part you'd have no luxury of enjoying the "want" part. It's a hard thing to get through your head when you're young and immortal.
I actually have a hard time plunking down my money to this day, on much of anything shootable, left over from the old days.......baby formula, rent, shoes etc.
It was a leson I learned a long time ago....If you have to save up the cash...it's tougher to pay for something with cash...cause you don't have it any more.
I don't like useing credit cards on stuff like this, I will use it for gas, ordering stuff, then paying if off at the end of the month....but you won't find me using one at Micky-D's, or at the grocery store, then its checks....I have to have it to spend it.
I think the waiting period is a good thing for me as I can spend the 3 days or what ever, thinking about if I really l want something.
I do of course carry cash in case I come across a good deal, like at gun shows and such.
Now that being said, I have come across good deals, and have purchased a lot of raffle tickets over the years.......but I look for used deals, newspaper, and such for most purchases for firearms.
It's rare that I set my sight (pun) on a particular piece, but when I do, I just save up the cash....then make my move.
Works for me.
its curious you didnt mention what constitutes a "main battle rifle" , at least your definition , because you may think an FN FAL 308 isnt and a 22-250 is , both of witch are capable hunters , but which one is the one you want to defend your property and family with ? Or are you one of those who believe the the cops are gonna protect you?
Did you direct that at SD? The guy who's stated it takes 2 hours for the state police to respond IF they show up? The guy that wants a kill zone on his driveway and thinks trip wires just let you know when company shows up? The only guy I know with a coaxial machine gun mounted in his cabin? The guy that wears a coat with LVOSS mounted smoke grenade launchers?
You can get motion detectors for the driveway. The nice thing about those over tripwires are that they are discreet. And they keep working whereas a trip wire is usually a one shot deal.
If he detects motion in the driveway it usually gets shot.
(now that right there is funny)
SemperFi, to be honest, I dont think SD used the term "MBR", He called them just battle rifles. Just somantics, i spose'. idk what all SD includes as a MBR othe than a AR/M16, but i include just about anything that is semi/full auto, 20+ rd mags, 22 centerfire or larger. So AR/M16, M1A/M14, AK47/74, FAL, etc. are what I consider MBRs
Ok Rick, let me see if I can get this straight. You're saying if you come up SD driveway you need to remain motionless? hmm LOL.
As I have stated I own a lot of battle rifles. My point was directed mostly toward people new to prepping/survival awareness. My point is that nearly all information about preparing has a battle rifle chapter right after Food & Water. Which leads newbies to assign to high of a priority to procuring a battle rifle. (Now all total I own about 16 battle rifles, so I ain't anti-battle rifle).Quote:
Originally Posted by SemperFi
A .22 Magnum is loud, but about 1/3 as loud as a 5.56 NATO. I was in a room when three people got shot, and all of us were dazed and in a trance from the sound of a 3006 being lit off in a confined space. I feel that food procurement will be of a higher priority to most people than shooting other people, and that a properly placed .22 Magnum is effective for both hunting and defense. As I stated I would rather enter a SHAFT survival event with 1,500 rounds of .22 Magnum, than 200 rounds of .308 NATO (which are about the same size and weight).
I agree that firearms are "tools", However I say choose the tool with the widest range of applications. A Crescent wrench is not the perfect tool for anything, but will work and covers the widest range of applications.
Not meaning to derail the topic......Did I ever tell you about the first house I bought? Single guy - new sub-division with only a couple of houses occupied. An armadillo was tearing up the new sod I installed. I was sitting in my living room after returning from the range and was cleaning my weapons, when through the sliding glass door I saw the culprit, digging away. I grabbed a bb gun and started pumping. I pumped it up good. Shot and hit the armadillo. I think it turned it's head toward me and yawned, then went back to digging. I grabbed the rifle I was cleaning - a Ruger, Model 1, 45/70 and slid a cartridge into the chamber. I took aim and fired. All I saw was a red mist. It was about a week or so before my hearing fully returned. Never shoot a 45/70 with 500 grain jhp in an enclosed space without hearing protection. Just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
Ha! I was standing under a covered range position and the guy with me didn't have on hearing protection. I forgot I had taken mine off and popped a round of .45. He was pretty upset but I didn't hear much at all. Being deaf has it's advantages I guess.
Back to survival rifles and which one is best.
Aha! Crash isn't as level headed as we all thought....Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
Back in his younger days. You know how it is.
Sure I am......as long as we're talking about the flat spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by COWBOYSURVIVAL
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
I concur but fail to see any 22 mag as being more versatile then an AR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
The loud painful crack of the AR with no hearing protection is painful, I can pack 1,500 rounds of .22 Magnum as opposed to about 350 rounds of .223 ammo. And dead is dead, I don't want to get hit with either one, and the .22 Magnum is a better all around meat gun for small game to deer & black bear size game. Just my opinion, your milage may vary, depending on the priority assigned to Food or Defense of human encounters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winter
This might be a good sidearm if you're considering a .22wmr rifle. The pmr30 holds an impressive 30 rounds too.
http://cdn4.gunsforsale.com/media/ca...30keltec-1.jpg
.22 mag is better then .223rem/5.56x45 for game?
22 mag- 40 gr vel. 2020fps / 360 ft lbs energy at muzzle. at 100yds it's 1430/180 respectively.
.223 rem- 55 gr ....3240/ 1282 ............. .................................................. ...................................... at 200 yds 2362/ 675.
If your sole purpose is saving bullet weight, then just say that. LOL.
I agree with you on small game and Well Black Bear???? I'll Leave that up for someone else to try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
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Originally Posted by Winter
Allow me to point out that an arrow has nearly ZERO energy, it still kills. It is not the Velocity or the Energy, it is the shot placement. The sole purpose is NOT only to save weight, but to save one hearing, and too use just enough firearm to get the job done.
An arrow kills by cutting large amounts of tissue with a large surface area of blades. A bullet uses tissue deformation and tearing from it's velocity (hydrostatic shock) for it's wounding effect. The mechanics are not similar and the comparison is not a fair one. As bullets go, heavier and/or faster is better for the desired tissue disruption. Comparing a .22 mag to a .223 is yet another stretch. The .223 carries way more energy, and shoots way flatter than the best .22 mag out there. I am a huge .22 mag fan but it ain't even close to a .223 for tissue distruction. That in itself makes the .22 mag a more desireable small game getter if you plan on eating that rabbit. The .22 mag is a better small game round for it's lack of destructivenesss. The .223 is a better people/medium game round for that same virtue. For the ability to carry the largest amount of ammo in a given space, the .22 mag wins big time. The moral of the story is that some people have said that ballistically a .22mag and a .223 are practically the same. Nope, not even close. That's like saying a Fiat and a Porche is the same. Well they both do have four wheels and burn gasoline but that's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
[QUOTE=glockcop;320795] some people have said that ballistic ally a .22mag and a .223 are practically the same. Nope, not even close.QUOTE]
You will never hear me say that they are even close ballistics. I know which one I don't want to be shot in the chest with (even at 150 yards)...............................and the answer is neither.
I guess it really comes down to: Do you think you will be shooting dinner every other day, or engaging in a firefight every other day. I am quite sure I'll survive longer shooting dinner than you will in a gunfight. You do 30 gunfights over 60 days, and you will be a daisy if you do.
Let's end the about to get ugly scene. It'll come down to luck depending on the event. "could've, would've, should've". That's how it rolls.
Hey SD! Oh yea. I'm invisible.:devil2:Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel
The truth is, where I am, I'll probably garner more food without a firearm than with. A few snares and a couple of nets and I'll have protein. That's generally true even in winter.
Some of the cree and montagais carried one trap with them while traveling and set it out when they stopped for the night. In the morning they would check it and pull it and move on. The more traps the better no doubt but one trap and experience can be effective. When the belly button is gnawing on the backbone that experience may come quick LOL.
I think the bottom line is which will do a guy more good in the long run under most conditions, 1500 rounds of 22 magnum or 250 rounds of .223.
As many gunfights as some seem to expect, I think fresh long'pork will be laying about everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I'd much rather hunt with the .223 then be in a gunfight with the .22 mag. :creepy:
I would rather be in a gunfight with my 3/4 mile shooter than a .223Quote:
Originally Posted by Winter
I am with you on that one. Distance is my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
I don't think it's an either or situation. Around here, I think the woods will be more dangerous than the streets. Too many people in the woods trying to harvest is bound to mean accidents and/or angry encounters. The deer will be behind cover with their heads down while the humans slug it out over hunting space.