Yeah, I think so. He left. It was a damn good post, too.
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Yeah, I think so. He left. It was a damn good post, too.
You can actually live a very long time on just about anything. There are so many examples in history of folks subsisting on some weird stuff. Sawdust bread, seed pods, yeah, even leather from shoes (it is cow skin, after all). So the point, I think, is can you stay alive. Know which plants to eat, when they are available, as WE said, how to harvest them and how to prepare them can keep you alive for quite a long time. Adding meat products, for me anyway, is just as a tasty way to expand the food options.
My DIL is a vegan. Not because she thinks eating meat is wrong but because she doesn't want to eat the chemicals, et. al. that are added to commercial meat. She's a pretty healthy gal.
But now the question is would you really want to survive like that? Would you want to prolong your life by eating sawdust bread and shoe leather? Would you want to live in a make-shift shelter in the woods being frigid cold in the winter and hot in the summer just so you can survive hoping whatever caused you to live this way will end? What if it never ends and you have to exist like this for 30, 40, 50 years. Not much of a life in my opinion. Just looking at a different perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Doug, this not personal, you know I like you, you have been to my cabin. I think your generation, and your parents generation, and sadly most of my generation also (Note: I am old enough to be your Grandfather) have lived the most gluttonous, greedy, self centered, self important, distorted, warped, un-natural lifestyle possible. We (Yes, me also) feel we are entitled to a certain (Very High) quality of life. The poorest person in America lives better than the richest King 150 years ago. I have been disappointed that "ALL" of the religions have not endeavored to campaign against Gluttony.
Of course we would be inclined to self-abort in a sustained period of hardship.
But our idea of a life not worth living, would be the gravy train, to a the starving millions of humans in North Korea, Africa, or a dozen other countries.
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by doug1980
I wan't to live, and I'll eat what I can, yes
I live like that now. no difference for me, except the part about being in the woods, so yes.
Fine by me. Sounds much simpler than "life" by todays standards. My kid's don't know they aren't comfortable because it's always been that way for them.
Opinions vary.
your perspective sounds like you don't care much for living if the world as we know it now ceases to exist. That's cool, cuz I bought a bottle of hot sauce today ;)
Don't get me wrong I enjoying living and would sacrifice a lot to continue to do so but to what degree I don't know. I think many say they would be prepared to live a life similar to a homeless person but when faced with it I believe many will not be able to live it. I can't say with certainty that I would even be able to live that way, but I can't say I wouldn't either. I'm just putting a different spin on things. That's how I am, I like to bring in off the wall points of view when having a discussion even if they are not my beliefs.
I totally agree and am guilty of this. You know, you seen my truck. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
You do what you have to do when there are no options. Third world folks live that kind of life because there is no option or none that they can see. I think the desire to live, regardless of environment, is the greatest drive the vast majority of humans have. They will endure anything to live one more day or one more hour if that's the only straw they have to grasp. So, yeah, toss that hunk of sawdust bread over here. If that's my option for food then I had better be munching it.
Rick, I've heard about Berlin's cannablism elsewhere as well, just can't remember where. However, both the story of the Donner party & the Andes survivors are well documented. Also, like you, I never let people outside my immediate family know how we're prepared. :cool2:
YCC: In the event of a TSHTF scenario, I will attempt to unite my neighbors into a tight-knit community. It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it! :online2long:
Hybrid: I appreciate your involvement. You are right to a certain degree that man can "survive" on a meatless diet, but protein needs to be involved one way or another. Regarding plant life: While driving through the country with my wife I pointed out the cattails plants growing out of the drainage ditches as a source of potential food. She then pointed out the fields that drained off into the ditches as fields that the farmers spray much pesticides & other stuff that is hard on the human body & can cause problems.
Doug: I agree. I think about toughing out a nuclear attack in a bomb shelter, only to come out & find myself surrounded by radioactive waste. Do I want to continue to live that way? No. :cool2:
Sourdough: We old farts need to stick together! :sneaky2:
Wareagle: Use spell check! :innocent:
Farm chemicals. Does a body good.
Not for my wife it doesn't! :cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I'm not going there. Nope. Not going to.
Smart man! :sneaky2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
If it's TEOTWAWKI then answer me this:
If 80% of the ranchers & farmers are gone how long before we decimate the current supply of cattle, poultry, pork, & crops? :cool2:
When that happens what will the surviving population do? What will they eat? :cool2:
What will Rick do if all of the Twinkies are gone? (Hint: See Woody Harrelsone in "Zombieland.") :innocent:
Yeah: TESTERONE! It's not just for breakfast anymore! :sneaky2:
i find this funny, i have been here 3 yrs now and the usual remark made about someones spelling is when they are upset at someone and try to feel superior and tell them they are usuing bad grammer and spelling, oh well if it makes you feel better, although i now see that remy was correct about youQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
[QUOTE=Sarge47;206614]If it's TEOTWAWKI then answer me this:
[QOUTE/] If 80% of the ranchers & farmers are gone how long before we decimate the current supply of cattle, poultry, pork, & crops? :cool2:[QOUTE/]
care to back up that steatement with proof? if you want toplay this game i will moniter everything that you post from now on for accuracy so maybe you should put me on your ignore list,
not sure what your problem is just because i asked you to back up a statement that you posted you get bent out of shape, as a mod you should be above all this.
as i have always said about what i post, do your research, don't just take what i say to be gospel just because i have been here for a while and newbies might tend to do that cuz they see all the posts and figure a long timer here might know what he is talking about, even whan allen teaches me something, i still do allot of research on it
just keeping everone honest and the newbies safe.
The bomb shelter / nuclear waste is a really good point. There is a certain level of existence I expect to be able to secure. I couldn't live underground long enough for everything to clean itself up, and If I can't go outside, then it may be the case that it's just not worth carrying on.
I wish my neighbors were as resourceful and dependable as you guys neighbors. I'm afraid most of mine would just be dead weight. The idea of a tight-knit community to inter-rely on is a great plan to have, if you have neighbors that are willing to do what needs to be done, like most of us here. Mine seem reluctant to do what needs now. If you have that option, consider yourself lucky. Many of us probably won't have that option.
Spellin' shuld knot evn be an ishu on this form,Y dos it evn com up???NO ONE is a perfect speller,and as long as you can get the gist of their post,then it shouldn't be a problem,for anyone.
I beLIEve we hashed this one out before,and I have seen misspelled words in almost everyones posts from time to time,it does not lessen the meaning behind what they post.
That was actually a joke, just forgot to post a smiley.Quote:
Originally Posted by nell67
WE I don't care what you do, knock yourself out. The 80% deal was a "what if" scenario. :cool2:
Wow! You actually found an undeleted post that Remy left(like I care.)? I'm impressed! I was joking about the spelling dude! Sheeesh, lighten up!Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
Proof? For a "what if" scenario? What's up with you dude?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
1st, who are you to dictate my behavior to me? Furthermore, you seem to have a problem about my MOD status as you're the one that mentioned it! What does that have to do with my questions? Actually this was all relating to your sticky in the 1st place: "An absolute must-read."Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
Hmmm, so your the "forum cop now? That's nice. :innocent: I assume you'll be doing that with everybody since that's only fair, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
My guess is that there will be a lot of harvest-able animals, because most hunters well not walk 1/4 mile off the road system. We pack out moose 5 miles, I have even packed 90 pound loads of moose meat as far as 8 miles.
Something like an RMP will not effect the game animals, only man. I don't know squat about eating plants, unless I buy them at the grocery store. But I would live a long time on Fish & Game if I had too. My undoing would be the cold. I really need to set up a super small, easy to heat cabin. And buy more bow saws.
Notice that I always capitalize the LIE in the middle of the word beLIEve??? It's my personal dig at the person (no longer a member of the forum) who brought the spelling issue up the first time,what a great night that was (not). My own reminder that spelling is a non-issue for us here,because we are all smart enough to 'cipher what our brothers and sisters mean even if it wasn't spelt korrectly :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
I know, my point is that if you really want people to understand what you're saying & if you claim that you don't want them to be mis-led, perhaps you might concentrate on keeping your posts understandable. Just a thought. :sneaky2:Quote:
Originally Posted by nell67
[DISCLAIMER! This post has NOT been approved by the Forum Police! :innocent:]
Both Life and Mother Nature have funny ways of throwing curveballs at us. From a historical perspective, mankind has never, without exception, witnessed a worst-case SHTF scenario.
Yeah, the human race has survived the black plague, pandemics, world wars, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes and tsunamis, nuclear detonations, and you name it. However, each was unique and worst case effects were mostly fairly "localized."
And remember, although the cause is still being debated, SOMETHING - SOME EVENT, has caused mass global extinctions to occur virtually instantly. The Earth has experienced ice ages, collisions with meteors, super-volcano eruptions........ all before mankind arived on the scene.
We're here to discuss survival, but let's not loose sight of reality. Some cataclysmic events could render entire continents or even the Earth itself uninhabitable.
Take the Yellowstone Supervolcano as an example. Will it erupt during our lifetimes? Who knows for sure? If it does, most of North America beyond the immediate death zone will be covered with ash powder laden with free silica, destroying the lungs of anyone who ventures out without a working filter. The ash will bury and poison and kill most plant life. Above-ground water supplies will become acidic beyond use. Plants, trees, fish, birds, mammals - every living thing for hundreds of thousands of square miles - will choke and die. Worldwide, weather conditions will drastically change immediately. The ash and smoke in the atmosphere will circle the Earth for years. Worldwide crop production will plummet.
Waves of death will come in stages - the immediate eruption - those who succumb within days from thermal and non-thermal injuries - those who perish from more long-term effects - those who starve to death or cannot otherwise survive in a poisoned environment.
Foraging wild food sources may not be an alternative for anyone. Just sayin.'
me being a forum cop will only pertain to what i know about, if crash were to come on here and post something about knife making i would not know it to be true or false, i would expect someone that does know to correct him if he is wrong, same as i will do about wild edibles, your statment "trust me" about who will be out foraging evrything is not backed up with any facts, if you had chosen to say "in my opinion" it might be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
Now another point that you mentioned about me not knowing what is or is not in your forests, that is correct but i dare to say neither do you. Go spend the next 3 to 4 years of your life studying wild edibles then come back and make that statement, as far as you know there may be tons of edibles out there.
Now to address your comment on checking my spelling, if you say you were joking then ok, i'll taake it as that, but when in the middle of an argement or what ever this is, it is an often thrown around insult,
Sarge take this for whatever it is we both have been here for a long time and are like family, they squabble all the time but get over it sooner or later, heck crash never posted on any of my threads for a year (yes i noticed btw) but in an effert to keep things real and accurate i will butt in on anyone claiming something.
lets take for example your post a whiile ago about someone here saying they was going for a walk in a city park with a pocket knife and you got on and said "whoa a pocket knife ?wheres the first aif kit?" now to me thats a little ridicoulous and exessive but it is your opinion that one should have a first aid kit with them, thats cool thats your opinion i cannot correct you on that, but when you make a statement "trust me" that is now entering a different context especially if its about wild edibles.
hope we can still be freinds, balls in your court
WE
Dew knot trussed spell chequer two fined awl yore miss takes!:innocent:Quote:
Originally Posted by nell67
Ken - I think you are pretty close to the mark on your post. Everyone likes to think of themselves as the last cat strolling through town but it won't be like that and we all know it deep down inside. If most go then you're probably on the list to go too. Beyond the cataclysmic stuff like Old Yellowstone or that big hunka hunka burning rock hurtlin' at us from the Milky Way the rest of the stuff will really be based on perception.
If the news tells us it's bad then, by golly, it will be bad. If the news tells us it's not all that bad, then we'll be talking about what a nuisance the whole thing has been. We're funny like that. Orson Welles sort of proved that with War of the Worlds even though he wasn't trying to. This recession is a good example, too. Some have proclaimed and continue to proclaim it the end of all things holy. Some call it the resurrection of mankind. A fresh start. Most of us are somewhere in between...more or less. But it really depends on our perception of it as to how bad we think it is. When TSHTS I suspect it will be the same with that, too.
Did anyone feel that or was it just me?
Ok, my bad! I use "trust me" as a figure of speech. So let me just clarify the point. My wife has tomes of printed material & buried among those thousands of pages is documented evidence about wild greens that no longer exist because of large masses of people grazing off of the land in years gone by. I went to her for the documentation & she now tells me she can't find it right away. Her health is very bad, she's trying to help her sister who's about to be foreclosed on & will have to move, as well as taking care of what's left of her late father's estate. Had I known that the evidence was going to be hard to produce I would have waited. :blushing:Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
I would agree that you have much more knowledge than me on that subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
The thing is, WE, is that here, our forests are disappearing altogether. They're dwindling more & more as our towns & cities grow and the developers chop them up for huge apartment complexes and the like. Or farmers push them back to make bigger fields to plant in as their fields get taken over by the developers under something called "Eminent Domain."Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
That's true, my bad again. :blushing: (By the way, I'm 'proofing" this post. :sneaky2:)Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
That's fine, but don't think for one minute that I use my title to influence anybody. Hybrid just left over some silly crap & no one has a clue as to why so I suppose that comment just rankled; I apologize. (Can we hug now & sing Cum-by-ya?")Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
Actually, it's about anything edible. For Example, during our nation-wide depression people resorted to eating things that we might find disgusting today. On the flip-side, they did some very inventive things as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
Sure we can. Now, about the 1st aid kit, it's a very important piece of equipment. It just seems to me that many members come on here placing a higher priority on their knife than on a kit that can save their life. If someone goes on a day hike then, IMO, they should take a "10 essentials kit." That's mainly because I strongly suspect most of them don't have the same amount of knowledge or experience that you & others on this forum do regarding the outdoors. By me posting that I'm hoping to have them explain themselves further. :cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
The bottom line here is that I want people to be able to start thinking about things that they may have missed before. I think that some on here have done just that. It's why I always thought that your sticky: "An absolute must-read" is so very important. That's the impression YOU made on me! :cool2:
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