Thinking it through.

[Rick]

Yeah, I think so. He left. It was a damn good post, too.

[Rick]

You can actually live a very long time on just about anything. There are so many examples in history of folks subsisting on some weird stuff. Sawdust bread, seed pods, yeah, even leather from shoes (it is cow skin, after all). So the point, I think, is can you stay alive. Know which plants to eat, when they are available, as WE said, how to harvest them and how to prepare them can keep you alive for quite a long time. Adding meat products, for me anyway, is just as a tasty way to expand the food options.

My DIL is a vegan. Not because she thinks eating meat is wrong but because she doesn't want to eat the chemicals, et. al. that are added to commercial meat. She's a pretty healthy gal.

[doug1980]

You can actually live a very long time on just about anything. There are so many examples in history of folks subsisting on some weird stuff. Sawdust bread, seed pods, yeah, even leather from shoes (it is cow skin, after all). So the point, I think, is can you stay alive. Know which plants to eat, when they are available, as WE said, how to harvest them and how to prepare them can keep you alive for quite a long time. Adding meat products, for me anyway, is just as a tasty way to expand the food options.

My DIL is a vegan. Not because she thinks eating meat is wrong but because she doesn't want to eat the chemicals, et. al. that are added to commercial meat. She's a pretty healthy gal.

But now the question is would you really want to survive like that? Would you want to prolong your life by eating sawdust bread and shoe leather? Would you want to live in a make-shift shelter in the woods being frigid cold in the winter and hot in the summer just so you can survive hoping whatever caused you to live this way will end? What if it never ends and you have to exist like this for 30, 40, 50 years. Not much of a life in my opinion. Just looking at a different perspective.

[Sourdough]

Doug, this not personal, you know I like you, you have been to my cabin. I think your generation, and your parents generation, and sadly most of my generation also (Note: I am old enough to be your Grandfather) have lived the most gluttonous, greedy, self centered, self important, distorted, warped, un-natural lifestyle possible. We (Yes, me also) feel we are entitled to a certain (Very High) quality of life. The poorest person in America lives better than the richest King 150 years ago. I have been disappointed that "ALL" of the religions have not endeavored to campaign against Gluttony.

Of course we would be inclined to self-abort in a sustained period of hardship.
But our idea of a life not worth living, would be the gravy train, to a the starving millions of humans in North Korea, Africa, or a dozen other countries.

[your_comforting_company]

But now the question is would you really want to survive like that?
Would you want to prolong your life by eating sawdust bread and shoe leather?
Would you want to live in a make-shift shelter in the woods being frigid cold in the winter and hot in the summer just so you can survive hoping whatever caused you to live this way will end?
What if it never ends and you have to exist like this for 30, 40, 50 years. Not much of a life in my opinion.
Just looking at a different perspective.

yes
I wan't to live, and I'll eat what I can, yes
I live like that now. no difference for me, except the part about being in the woods, so yes.
Fine by me. Sounds much simpler than "life" by todays standards. My kid's don't know they aren't comfortable because it's always been that way for them.
Opinions vary.
your perspective sounds like you don't care much for living if the world as we know it now ceases to exist. That's cool, cuz I bought a bottle of hot sauce today

[doug1980]

Don't get me wrong I enjoying living and would sacrifice a lot to continue to do so but to what degree I don't know. I think many say they would be prepared to live a life similar to a homeless person but when faced with it I believe many will not be able to live it. I can't say with certainty that I would even be able to live that way, but I can't say I wouldn't either. I'm just putting a different spin on things. That's how I am, I like to bring in off the wall points of view when having a discussion even if they are not my beliefs.

[doug1980]

Doug, this not personal, you know I like you, you have been to my cabin. I think your generation, and your parents generation, and sadly most of my generation also (Note: I am old enough to be your Grandfather) have lived the most gluttonous, greedy, self centered, self important, distorted, warped, un-natural lifestyle possible. We (Yes, me also) feel we are entitled to a certain (Very High) quality of life. The poorest person in America lives better than the richest King 150 years ago. I have been disappointed that "ALL" of the religions have not endeavored to campaign against Gluttony.

Of course we would be inclined to self-abort in a sustained period of hardship.
But our idea of a life not worth living, would be the gravy train, to a the starving millions of humans in North Korea, Africa, or a dozen other countries.

I totally agree and am guilty of this. You know, you seen my truck.

[Rick]

You do what you have to do when there are no options. Third world folks live that kind of life because there is no option or none that they can see. I think the desire to live, regardless of environment, is the greatest drive the vast majority of humans have. They will endure anything to live one more day or one more hour if that's the only straw they have to grasp. So, yeah, toss that hunk of sawdust bread over here. If that's my option for food then I had better be munching it.

[Sarge47]

Rick, I've heard about Berlin's cannablism elsewhere as well, just can't remember where. However, both the story of the Donner party & the Andes survivors are well documented. Also, like you, I never let people outside my immediate family know how we're prepared.

YCC: In the event of a TSHTF scenario, I will attempt to unite my neighbors into a tight-knit community. It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it!

Hybrid: I appreciate your involvement. You are right to a certain degree that man can "survive" on a meatless diet, but protein needs to be involved one way or another. Regarding plant life: While driving through the country with my wife I pointed out the cattails plants growing out of the drainage ditches as a source of potential food. She then pointed out the fields that drained off into the ditches as fields that the farmers spray much pesticides & other stuff that is hard on the human body & can cause problems.

Doug: I agree. I think about toughing out a nuclear attack in a bomb shelter, only to come out & find myself surrounded by radioactive waste. Do I want to continue to live that way? No.

Sourdough: We old farts need to stick together!

Wareagle: Use spell check!

[Rick]

Farm chemicals. Does a body good.

[Sarge47]

Farm chemicals. Does a body good.

Not for my wife it doesn't!

[Rick]

I'm not going there. Nope. Not going to.

[Sarge47]

I'm not going there. Nope. Not going to.

Smart man!

[Sarge47]

If it's TEOTWAWKI then answer me this:

If 80% of the ranchers & farmers are gone how long before we decimate the current supply of cattle, poultry, pork, & crops?

When that happens what will the surviving population do? What will they eat?

What will Rick do if all of the Twinkies are gone? (Hint: See Woody Harrelsone in "Zombieland.")

Yeah: TESTERONE! It's not just for breakfast anymore!

[wareagle69]

Wareagle: Use spell check!

i find this funny, i have been here 3 yrs now and the usual remark made about someones spelling is when they are upset at someone and try to feel superior and tell them they are usuing bad grammer and spelling, oh well if it makes you feel better, although i now see that remy was correct about you
[QUOTE=Sarge47;206614]If it's TEOTWAWKI then answer me this:

[QOUTE/] If 80% of the ranchers & farmers are gone how long before we decimate the current supply of cattle, poultry, pork, & crops? [QOUTE/]

care to back up that steatement with proof? if you want toplay this game i will moniter everything that you post from now on for accuracy so maybe you should put me on your ignore list,
not sure what your problem is just because i asked you to back up a statement that you posted you get bent out of shape, as a mod you should be above all this.
as i have always said about what i post, do your research, don't just take what i say to be gospel just because i have been here for a while and newbies might tend to do that cuz they see all the posts and figure a long timer here might know what he is talking about, even whan allen teaches me something, i still do allot of research on it
just keeping everone honest and the newbies safe.

[your_comforting_company]

The bomb shelter / nuclear waste is a really good point. There is a certain level of existence I expect to be able to secure. I couldn't live underground long enough for everything to clean itself up, and If I can't go outside, then it may be the case that it's just not worth carrying on.
I wish my neighbors were as resourceful and dependable as you guys neighbors. I'm afraid most of mine would just be dead weight. The idea of a tight-knit community to inter-rely on is a great plan to have, if you have neighbors that are willing to do what needs to be done, like most of us here. Mine seem reluctant to do what needs now. If you have that option, consider yourself lucky. Many of us probably won't have that option.

[nell67]

Spellin' shuld knot evn be an ishu on this form,Y dos it evn com up???NO ONE is a perfect speller,and as long as you can get the gist of their post,then it shouldn't be a problem,for anyone.

I beLIEve we hashed this one out before,and I have seen misspelled words in almost everyones posts from time to time,it does not lessen the meaning behind what they post.

[Sarge47]

Spellin' shuld knot evn be an ishu on this form,Y dos it evn com up???NO ONE is a perfect speller,and as long as you can get the gist of their post,then it shouldn't be a problem,for anyone.

I beLIEve we hashed this one out before,and I have seen misspelled words in almost everyones posts from time to time,it does not lessen the meaning behind what they post.

That was actually a joke, just forgot to post a smiley.

WE I don't care what you do, knock yourself out. The 80% deal was a "what if" scenario.

[Sarge47]

i find this funny, i have been here 3 yrs now and the usual remark made about someones spelling is when they are upset at someone and try to feel superior and tell them they are using bad grammer and spelling, oh well if it makes you feel better, although i now see that remy was correct about you

Wow! You actually found an undeleted post that Remy left(like I care.)? I'm impressed! I was joking about the spelling dude! Sheeesh, lighten up!

If it's TEOTWAWKI then answer me this: If 80% of the ranchers & farmers are gone how long before we decimate the current supply of cattle, poultry, pork, & crops?
care to back up that statement with proof? if you want to play this game i will monitor everything that you post from now on for accuracy so maybe you should put me on your ignore list,

Proof? For a "what if" scenario? What's up with you dude?

not sure what your problem is just because i asked you to back up a statement that you posted you get bent out of shape, as a mod you should be above all this.

1st, who are you to dictate my behavior to me? Furthermore, you seem to have a problem about my MOD status as you're the one that mentioned it! What does that have to do with my questions? Actually this was all relating to your sticky in the 1st place: "An absolute must-read."

as i have always said about what i post, do your research, don't just take what i say to be gospel

I don't.

just because i have been here for a while and newbies might tend to do that cuz they see all the posts and figure a long timer here might know what he is talking about, even when allen teaches me something, i still do a lot of research on it. Just keeping every one honest and the newbies safe.

Hmmm, so your the "forum cop now? That's nice. I assume you'll be doing that with everybody since that's only fair, right?

[Sourdough]

My guess is that there will be a lot of harvest-able animals, because most hunters well not walk 1/4 mile off the road system. We pack out moose 5 miles, I have even packed 90 pound loads of moose meat as far as 8 miles.

Something like an RMP will not effect the game animals, only man. I don't know squat about eating plants, unless I buy them at the grocery store. But I would live a long time on Fish & Game if I had too. My undoing would be the cold. I really need to set up a super small, easy to heat cabin. And buy more bow saws.