I Also Like Them Both...they Both Teach Different Things. Actually, Watching These Shows Is What Really Got Me More Interested In Finding Out More About Survival Type Info.
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I Also Like Them Both...they Both Teach Different Things. Actually, Watching These Shows Is What Really Got Me More Interested In Finding Out More About Survival Type Info.
Before watching man vs wild, if i was ever stranded on a mountain or something i would have no idea at all of what i should do. even though the show is partially staged, if you guys didnt know anything about survival before watching these shows like me, you would realize that they are pretty helpful
even small things like getting to the top of a mountain to survey the land or following a river seem like simple things, but I dont think i would have thought of them in a survival situation. his show also does teach good techniques for setting traps and such which i didnt know before
I liked "Man vs. Wild" a lot until I realized it was totally fake.
It is good that the two shows have encouraged some folk to learn about survival. However. There are to many time on those programs where the techniques they use could kill you as apposed to saving you. Don't forget Bear is an accomplished mountaineer/climber. Trying to do some of his stunts without his skill is worse then a bad idea. For example, venturing into a glacial ice cave, climbing a waterfall or as Les did placing his camp on a river sandbar when its raining in the mountains above him. I would suggest viewing the programs as entertainment only and investing in some real world practical survival training.
One of the better reviews of the shows that I have seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by klkak
Well said klkak,if only people will listen.
klkak, Good post. I would also add, not only is Bear an accomplished mountaineer/climber, but he was in the British Special Forces (for 3 years), he's in outstanding physical condition, and passed the training tests for the French Foreign Legion (which is a great accomplishment). BUT the show is dangerous!
Those shows are dangerous but remember that they have teams of personel ready to respond to thier emergencies, so much for the "I'm realy surviving thing". Bear says clearly "I'm not staying here tonite but if you had to this is what you could do..."
A better show is " The Grizzly man diaries".
Timothy Treadwell was a "MORON Echo-terrorist" that not only got himself killed but also his girlfriend. The bear that killed him should get a "Congressional Medal of Honor" and promoted to "Director of Homeland Defense"!!!
Don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.
Pardon my naivete ladies and gentlemen, but I've read references to this Timothy Treadwell person a time or two here and I really don't know anything about him. At the risk of having Kevin zero me out with his .338 all the way from Alaska,:) could someone fill me in a bit on the details of this guy?
and Crash, what are you even doing still here? Shouldn't you be marking down the hours til doomsday? There's still like...seven hours left in the day where I live, eight where Bragg lives!
Can only tell you what I've read about him. Born in New York, actor, self described eco warrior. He and his girlfriend were killed when he set up camp next to a salmon run late in the season. Bears were fighting each other over there "fishing hole"........guess they saw the two furless ones as easier prey.
If you google his name there are some sites with pics of the scene of the attack - pretty gruesome.
I had to sugar coat it or I might have damaged some young impressionable minds.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
Bears always Bite bigger than they bark! put sugar on your foot and they will knaw on it pretty good.
On a lighter note.....(I know it's been posted before, but I like it).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTJlr6xVxKc
He was a Greenie Weenie that thought he could commune with Alaska's coastal brown bears. The bears ended up using him and his girlfriend as communion.Quote:
Originally Posted by trax
By the way you can relax. I wouldn't draw a bead on someone I like. That's just plain bad manners.
Timothy Treadwell, Christopher McCandless, Brad & Adrian...these are names that will go into the nominee envelopes for the Darwin Award. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by klkak
I saw the movie documentary: "Grizzly man!" Sheesh! What a NUMPTY!!! "Here Fluffy! Here boy! come here fluffy! See! Daddy's got a nice fish for.....AGHHHHHH!!!!!":eek: Freakin' film should have been called "Grizzly Lunch"!
Sarge's wisdom: Leave all wildlife, especially the real huge, heavy carnivores, THE CRAP ALONE!!!!:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::cool:
Bears - never encountered one in the wild. Hope to keep it that way.
The bear equation:
A small bear can outweigh a grown man by 2 : 1
+ Large bear 3 : 1
+ Bears have bigger sharper teeth, stronger jaws and 4 sets of claws.
+ Bears are faster than me
- I carry a knife.
= Bear wins.
only variable is if I can keep my wits about me enough to not become food.
For those of you that have spent a lot of time in bear country - any threads here you'd recommend or should I trust Baer Grylls? :)
Dennis - here's a thread dealing with bears that you may find useful. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ght=bear+spray
In the UK "Bear" Grylls has been vilified on many forums for his initial episodes those are now shown but with disclaimers.
The newer episodes try to temper extreme reactions to situations with a modicum of realistic responses.
"If you encounter a Bear. 1. Stand perfectly still. 2. Let the bear know that you know he sees you. 3. Back away slowly".
What movie did that line come from?
The Edge, one of my favorite movies "why is the rabbit unafraid?" Interesting that the man who gets to ask that question at the end of the movie is also the only character who follows that advice when they first meet the bear hey bro?Quote:
Originally Posted by klkak
also good posting Dennis (awfully good at basic math) K.
Love that movie. Mostly Bart the bear.
Les is a dork!!!! Bear shows you "how to". Rich!!!!
http://www.clipartof.com/images/emot...y_laughing.gif
Might be a little bassackwards there IMO.
First it's 7 days he has to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
A loser? He survives! His shows are always set up as "your dirt bike breaks down", "you've lost your sled dogs", "your small plane goes down in the middle of nowhere", etc, situations where you wouldn't have much with you. Les does what we would all like to do, survive! How would you do in a strange place, with little or no equipment???? How would you have done being from where you're from and going on a sightseeing trip over the Northwest Territory and the plane goes down and the pilot didn't have a BOB on the plane, and he died in the crash? Humm, do you know the wild edibles in that area? Do some look the same, but are not, there poisonous... Oh No! It's snowing and starting to get dark... Les "as far as his survival skills go, he's a complete loser", I think not!Quote:
He doesn't take in enough protein or anything else to sustain him and most of the time he barely scrapes by by the skin of his teeth. As far as his survival skills go, he's a complete loser.
Uh, my blood curdling scream interrupted by deep breaths interrupted by more blood curdling screams until I slam into the earth. Oh, yea. Ripcord. Duh!Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
Dude! He drinks his own pee and squeezes water from elephant poo. Need I say more?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
All Hail, Les! All Hail, Les! All Hail, Les!Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
Go look in the mirror. Your butt is a crack. (Or vice versa)Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
So would we. It's how we rack up our frequent stay points at Residence Inn.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
It's the old joke....
I radioed in. They said we could either die or squeeze water out of the elephant poo.
And?
And it looks like we're gonna die.
You can't,Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
Bear has a whole team with him at all times! Les does not!
Bear stays in a hotel at night! Les does not!
Bear (as seen in the West Scotland show) has a cameraman help him out of a hole he fell into! Les does not! He films himself!
I could go on....
Just recently in the news there was a story about a man that went into the desert on a dirt bike for a short camping trip. Sometime later they found his body. In other words. It's a believable scenario that could and has happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
Thank you for letting us know the extent of your survival education.Quote:
As to your question as to whether I would know what to do "being from where you're from" (point well taken). The answer is yes but only because I've watched Bear show how to make emergency shelters, build a fire with a flint, a bow starter (made in the wilderness) or using a 9v battery and steel wool. He points out edible plants and warns of poisonous ones. He shows how to trap successfully and use alternative and creative means of catching fish. Bear demonstrates the principals of how to get back to civilization by always going downhill and following a creek or river. He also emphasizes one of the most important things - morale. You have to believe in your getting out if you're in a situation like that or you will most certainly make mistakes (most often compounding on themselves) and die.
It wasn't rotten salmon and the eagle didn't rejected it. It is very common for an eagle to catch a fish, eat a couple bites and leave the rest. As for Bear feasting on fresh salmon. He was on a stream with spawning fish in it. Les wasn't.Quote:
Compare the two shows of Les and Bear when they were dropped in Alaska. Les ate rotten salmon that even an eagle rejected. Bear feasted on fresh salmon.
Les didn't nearly burn his shelter to the ground. It caught fire and he put it out. He was protected from the rain or did you miss that he found some plastic that he Incorporated into the roof?Quote:
Les nearly burned his flimsy little "shelter" (with no wind or rain protection) to the ground.
According to him. It is common knowledge that Bear doesn't stay in the field. He stays in a hotel.Quote:
Bear's shelter was warm and kept him out of the wind and rain completely.
There are very few times when you should move from your present location unless it is for safety or to get into an area close by that makes you more visible. Most often it is best to stay where you are and do every thing possible to draw attention to yourself.Quote:
Les waited for the camera crew to pick him up. Bear was pro-active in his survival because you can't always count on someone coming looking for you; he got off his arse, oriented himself, assessed the situation and made a plan to live.
This is something that has been discussed before. Bear does things that will get you killed in a hurry unless you have his physical conditioning, strength, agility and climbing skills.Quote:
Bear really takes a bum rap on this forum and Les is held to be almost a mythical figure. For what, because he can go on a 7 day diet? Bear does some crazy things but drastic situations often call for drastic measures and he *demonstrates* how to get your butt out of a crack.
Venturing into a glacier cave, climbing down a waterfall or up a 1000ft cliff are not situations that could spiral out of control?Quote:
It's not like he actually enjoys jumping through the ice and into the water of a frozen pond but shows how to get out, warns of the urge to suck in water because of the thermal shock, and how to get out of the water and how to get your clothes dry and keep hypothermia from setting in. He eats the most disgusting things imaginable but it's all for the viewers sakes, to show us "you can do it and live". I'm not trying to bash Les; just put things in perspective. Surviving, to me, is taking control of the situation and making a plan and not getting yourself in a situation that spirals out of control. Personally I would follow Bear anywhere but I wouldn't take Les with me on a hunting trip in Alaska.
"What we have here is a fella (TrapperRick) with a very romantic view of what survival is!!!"
TrapperRick, I invite you to participate in the "Survival situation scenario's" after you have read a few hundred of the posts on this website.
So...then...you think it's ok to drink urine straight from the bladder?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
That's scary! And that's why his show is dangerous! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
Were you aware that he is now selling knives (with the knife maker) with his name on them for $700!
Yes I left alone "it's ok to drink urine"....
TrapperRick, you want to go out in the wilds anywhere and follow Bear Gryllis' advice, fill yer boots dude, let us know how it works out for you if you get back.
Fighting the urge to yawn mightily here.
Sorry I couldn't leave it for the young people that are here:
From the US Army Field Manual 21-76, Ch. 6, in the Do Not Drink table:[6]
"Urine: Contains harmful body wastes. Is about 2 percent salt."
From the SAS Survival Handbook How to Survive in the Wild, in Any Climate, on Land or at Sea John Wiseman 2004 Harper Collins, p. 494:
"DO NOT drink urine."
From Dr. William Elfarr, Urologist and former president of the Texas Urological Society:[7]
""In general, it is not beneficial to ingest one's own urine during times of starvation and/or dehydration. The urine at those times is concentrated with high sodium, other electrolyte and mineral content. This is counterproductive when one is dehydrated.""
From Master Sergeant Gary L. Benton, survival instructor to B-52 crews:[8]
"Finally, a few things you should not do. Do not drink urine. It is a waste product of a body and is just that, waste (think about that for a second…when a body passes urine, it is not longer need or useful). Drinking urine can even make you sick."
From Tom Brown Jr., survivor school founder and instructor [9]
"Don't drink urine (unless you've first purified it by means of a solar still) because doing so will increase your body's rate of dehydration. "
From Equipped.com, a survival site:[10]
""Never drink blood or urine. They will only hasten dehydration."
From Adventure Sports Online's 5 basic survival tips:[11]
"Never drink urine."
From the USGI Canteen Group:[12]
"Also, don't drink urine or sea water. Some folks say that it's saved their lives, but there is no evidence to back this up. Both contain high levels of toxins that cannot be filtered out except by distillation or reverse osmosis"
From Wildernesssurvival.net, prominently in the "Remember!" section:[13]
"Do not drink urine."
Bear cites the case of three Mexican fishermen who were lost and supposedly lived off of turtle blood and urine. This claim seems to have been pulled from thin air. The fishermen reported drinking rainwater, not blood and urine:
"We ate raw seagulls, ducks and fish. We ate everything raw - any fish that came near the boat we grabbed it and gulped it down," Jesus Vidana told Televisa channel in an interview late Tuesday.
"We drank rain water because it rained every day," he said. "Twice we almost sank. The waves washed into the boat and we thought we were going to die."
Even if they had also drank blood and urine (which seems to have been reported nowhere but Man vs Wild), they're drinking freshwater, too.
Les Stroud has NOT drunk his own urine. Rather, in the desert episode, he distills the water from the urine and drinks the water from the resulting condensation -- he explicitly states the risks of drinking urine without proper filtration. As the various quotes above demonstrate, drinking urine especially while dehydrated is an extremely bad idea.
I did not say you don't know anything about survival. I said:Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperRick
From another thread.Quote:
Thank you for letting us know the extent of your survival education.
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If you are going to be an active member of this forum you have got to have a tough hide! If you are tender skinned then you are going to get your feeling hurt. Most of us are not intellectuals. We range from barely able to read & write rednecks to Remy. With some of us, the filter between what pops into our mind and what comes out on the key board is broken.
"If you want to run with the "Wolf pack" then you have to expect to get bitten once in a while"
Thank you G.W. for that extremely informative post.
Again, that is why that show and Bear Gryils are dangerous, as we see here, even adults can be taken in, and believe some of that crap... :mad:
TrapperRick - you like Baer Grylls. I like Les.
In any event, I am not about to watch their shows and then think that I am qualified to survive in those situations. Wilderness survival and bushcraft take time and practice, not TV shows. What I will greatfully thank both men for is that they do seem to inspire many people to think about wilderness survival situations. Once the brain is activated, that usually allows the rest of the carcass to follow.
Baer and Les are like Wikipedia - a good place to start, but by no means gospel.
All that to say, hey dude, I'm glad your here. No need to leave.