Ryan, I agree. Flint is much worse. I go to Detroilet and Flint both for work, and have had my truck broken into twice in Flint, had a friend mugged and see hookers and drug dealers all over. Detroit is not much better though, and is higher on the list I think because it is a much bigger city. And, it's only getting worse with the rising unemployment.Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
At least in Detroit there are places to go to that are safe. About the only place in Flint I let my wife go with out me is Farmers market. They don't tolerate anything there. Like I said I grew up hanging in Flint and has seen the worse it has to offer. I had a buddy get his firebrid stolen. WE caught a crack head trying to steal my truck one night after coming out of a bar. Bums everywhere. You have to go to Dort Hwy to see the hookers. I have punched more people in that town I think then any other.
If our govt. had any BALLS (please excuse me ladies but I do get passionate about some topics) They would first make terrorism an instant (as in right now, not 40 years on death row) death penalty. Second any members of known violent gangs would be considered terrorists. Now it isn't very hard to determine who is an MS-13 member as they tatoo themselves all over like a brand name.
I am surprised that California didn't have a lot more cities in the top 25
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Actually New Orleans (where I was born and grew up south-east of there in LA) has had the #1 murder rate during various years over the past 25 years (since crack cocaine came into the scene).
That original list posted must not have been per capita. For example if you have a small town in TN for example with a population of 12, if 3 people get killed in a year they "win" by a large margin. I passed through a town like that once (similar population, not any murder rate to speak of), going whitewater rafting on the Nolichucky.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...4AN7LF20081124
I remember one very murderous year where New Orleans and Washington DC were duking it out for the most murderous city "per capita". There was at least one murder every single day, and about a month's worth of days were there were a couple of them daily.
Of course I spent a lot of late nights into the dawn hours partying there, and not once did I get robbed/shot/etc. It's all about urban survival, knowing how to avoid danger, being aware of your environment, and finally some luck.
There are definitely more dangerous places to be in the world. As far as the USA goes there are easily a dozen cities where you better be damn careful or you will become a statistic.
P.S. I love your little Cajun town too. (heh)
Last edited by sthomas; 01-18-2009 at 12:28 AM.
Those stats don't tell you much. It's really just a map of the drug trade in the US.
With stats on gun deaths if you remove drug related incidents, suicide, self defense shootings, and police shootings the numbers get so low that they fall off the paper. So if your are not: involved with drugs, suicidal, in trouble with the police, or planning to assault someone your statistical danger is very low. Correspondingly, if you are: involved in the drug trade, suicidal, wanted, or planning an assault your chance of getting shot is FAR above the national average. So behave yourself and nobody will get hurt. Mac
ETA - The MAJOR flaw in the FBI uniform crime report is that it treats all people as if they are uniform and they are not. If they broke down the numbers showing people with a felony record and those who live with them as opposed to people who do not have a felony record and those that live with them suddenly you would see a HUGE difference in the violence stats. If broken down geographically areas with high drug traffic are far more dangerous than other places in the same city with low or no drug traffic. All people are equal under the law, yes, but we are not equal in terms of behavior and crime/violence is a behavioral problem.
According to the stats from Florida, people with a CCW are 840 times less likely to commit a violent crime than those who do not have a permit. I wonder what the numbers would be between CCW holders and people with a felony record?
My point? If you live in Mayberry with a convicted violent felon drug user you haven't fixed your problem.
Last edited by Pict; 01-18-2009 at 09:26 AM.
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Im surprised Jax,Fla isnt on the list.You mean all those cities are worse?Every morning on the news someone else got whacked during the night.Are problem here is hands down black on black,which may not be such a bad thing till innocent bistanders get hurt.Drive bys on the northwest side of town.Its funny,there are city blacks and country blacks.The many small outlying towns have alot of blacks but very rarely any shootings.They have their drugs,prostitution and thefts but violent crimes in the outlying towns are rare.Glad I live in one.You can have the big cities,all of em...
Toronto has one of the most ehtnically diverse cultures anywhere in the worldm but with around 3 million people they still only have about 60 to 70 murders a year.
Gangs were for sure the biggest part of that but gangs are a sign of economic problems and not ethnic diversity.
To blame race for crime rate is just noy yrue and there is no basis of fact in saying that.
I lived for five years on a street that had one killing a week and about ten violent crimes per day. There were five police officers killed in the neighborhood in separate incidents during that time.
There were so many killings among the drug gangs in the neighborhood that it became routine to hear about it. It was almost like adjusting to the weather, the neighborhood is hot right now so don't go out after dark. Things cool off again and life gets back to normal.
In that five years two murders stood out and caused a public uproar. A woman was stabbed to death (38x) in her home and another was beaten to death in front of his house in a robbery. These actually had people out into the streets. Ironically even the criminals got angry about this as it brought the hammer down on them. The attitude down there was that if drug people want to kill drug people fine, have at it, just keep it amongst yourselves. When innocent people started getting attacked in their homes or killed in robberies nobody put up with it, not the people, nor the police, nor the criminals.
Even the most violent societies have their own moral code and will impose the death penalty on those who break it. Brazil claims to have no death penalty, that is a load of crap. People get executed for crimes committed there all the time.
From my observations there race has absolutely nothing to do with it, economic class division is the factor to watch. Mac
Last edited by Pict; 01-18-2009 at 12:11 PM.
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I dont blame race for the statistics,thats just the facts.
Obviously if you put yourself into any environment where danger is inherent, your chances for self injury or death are going to be higher. In 1996 there were 98 people who made the summit of Everest. That same year 15 people died trying. In contrast the number of people who hiked around trails near my house that same year were surely higher than 98, and no one died.
I was in Fort Worth TX many years ago when two guys lured me over to their car to "ask for directions". At some point one of them pulled a .357 magnum out from under the seat, obviously to rob me. As soon as I saw that shiny beast coming out I bolted, zig-zagging as I ran. Maybe they needed drug money, maybe not. Plenty innocent people got killed in robberies in New Orleans. Whether the armed robbers needed money for drugs or for other reasons isn't a stat I can cite. The reality is that many U.S. cities, towns, and suburbs have drug issues. And violent behavior is not a racial issue and often enough is independent of economic class. You can find violent offenders in any walk of life, and crimes of passion happen all the time.
Regardless, the topic here is the most crime-ridden cities, and crime stats per capita obviously infer some quantified and qualified level of risk in being in those places. If you go to Columbia, your chances of being murdered are about 1 in 1,000 according to recorded data. They win as the most murderous country per capita.
However what we don't know is how much doesn't make the stats in some places. My wife's uncle was stabbed to death in Honduras and had his dead body thrown on train tracks about 25 years ago. Why? He was a union organizer in the Chiquita banana trade and reportedly someone within Chiquita wanted him dead. While that death probably made some stats, there are jungle communities there were people are killed with machetes for simple trespassing or stealing food from a farm. A nephew of my wife was killed as trivially. Reportedly he and some other young man had some sort of altercation. Later that evening the other guy came to the mud house he lived in with family and hacked him across the neck with a machete. There aren't birth records in some of those places, much less accurate death stats.
When you're buying bananas, most people wouldn't think that large companies could be so ruthless as to be involved in murder. In the case of Chiquita, it seems to happen often enough.
http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/c...chiquita19.htm
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/47/227.html
I know there are other industries (besides the obvious drug trade, like diamonds, etc.) where murder is part of doing business.
Sorry for the slight digression into murderous companies.
I am shocked that Las Vegas isn't on that list. I lived there for 30 years and wouldn't go anywhere with being armed.
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i lived and went to hs in north tampa,in the mid 60s..crime wasnt that rampent then..it started with heavy drugs.. herion crack meth..we need to take america back..when i hear press 1 for english, my blood boils..i wont all the snowbirds and illeagles out of fla..sorry i rant!!!!!!!
One of our local police officers formerly copped in NYC. He says he never saw any meth use there. Epidemic here.
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My guess is NYC has just as bad if not worse drug problem the drug of choice was just not meth. More than likely the druggies used crack in NYC.
I went to a restaurant and an employee had all kinds of tattoos and MS 13 on him.
I looked at the Manager and said MS 13???? IF YOU WONT TO SUPPORT THESE GANG BANGERS, I DONT NEED TO SUPPORT YOU! and I left and had never gone back.
It is a drug prefered by rural people.
I'm on it right now. (wink, heh)
BTW those two guys that tried to rob me using a .357 in Fort Worth TX (mentioned above) were "white". I wanted to mention that (but forgot to), noting the introduction of race in association with crime in a couple of the posts. While that one incident means little in the larger scheme of things, I still wanted to note it for reference.
I think Milwaukee, WI should be on that list...
Well you have hit every city East of the Mississippi that I have worked in. I seldom had any problems, was in alleys most of the time and 15yrs nights. Drugs of choice back then were grass, coke & H. I did watch very carefully, usually worked with someone and a manhole hook makes a darn good weapon. Fiberglass layup stick worked well also plus I was younger and uglier then, not handsome like now.
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to fight... he'll just kill you.
So surprised not to see los angeles on that list.
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