Global Warming?

[tsitenha]

Global warming was started by Thatcher in trying to break the power of the British Unions, specificaly the coal miners...do some real research and not cut and past regurgitated tests that are rehashed and rejected so they redo them in a different way

[Pict]

I don't put alot of stock in the Mayans. Nobody seems to think it odd that they could predict our end but not their own. Whatever their prophetic abilities were they were certainly no help to the Mayans. Mac

[Ziggy]

[QUOTE=mitch.chesney;95284]Where's your sources?

Here's one http://www.climate4you.com/GlobalTemperatures.htm

Well, assuming the poles shift 180*, if you want to go north you now use the white side of the needle. South? Red.

If the poles shift, the earth's crust usually shifts as well.

[B]I certainly agree that we need to change our practices to reduce, re-use, and recycle. And I don't buy into all the TEOTWAWKI stuff. I thought it to be a thought provoking subject, apparently it's just a passion provoking question, sorry I posted it...B]

[doug1980]

I try not to worry about things I have no control over. Life is too short already to always be worrying about the end. My mom worries about everything, health, end of days, bodily harm; she worries so much she barely has enough time to enjoy the time she has.

[tsitenha]

Ziggy just ask away, the people will never let a post go unanswered,
as far as global warming I can attest to that yesterday -37....today -22 wow

[crashdive123]

I find the argument that so and so is funded by such and such rather amusing. If we were to look into the funding given out to research the subject, should those receiving grants be ignored. After all, if they were to come out and say....nope, not man made....would their grant money stop because there was no need to study further?

[trax]

Ziggy just ask away, the people will never let a post go unanswered,
as far as global warming I can attest to that yesterday -37....today -22 wow

break out the shades and the suntan oil, brother.

[Sarge47]

The earth gets cold. The earth gets warm. The earth is like a woman.

Oh crap...don't give the earth any credit cards!!!

[Badawg]

Crash: As you say, all theories are just that, a theory. and Funding from any source can be suspect. But, if you follow the money you will find that most of the global warming is a hoax folks are funded by two main sources. The energy industry which has a vested interest in the status quo, and the go0vernment of whatever country the researchers are working in, which in the case of the US, is also interested in the status quo(But that will likely change over the next two years) If we can cut the politics and money grabbing out of the equation you still have over a thousand extremely well respected Climatologists saying it's real and we are screwed, and thousands of wildlife biologists, chemists, oceanographers, microbiologists, ETC all saying something weird that has never happened before is happening.

And the US is the only 1st world nation that has been denying it...

And as far as grant money being pulled? I have watched it happen right here where I work. I'm in a science department at a top engineering school on a major public university and in my 6 years here I have seen people get their grants pulled for proving the opposite of what was expected. NSF grants at that. I qhave also seen a grant pulled because the PUI got real vocal in the media about some scary sh** he found out about the effects of flushing supertankers hulls offshore, and what it was doing to the fish populations along the west coast.

I don't think that global warming will be the end of our world though. Our grand children are the ones that are going to get the brunt of it. So let's do what we can to try to mitigate some of the damage we are causing now, as I for one don't want to look into the eyes of my grand children and have to say " Yeah, we knew about it but did nothing".

[Sarge47]

Since none of us were here during the 1st ice age, & wouldn't have survived it if we were, I say that there's not enough data to make the proper decision, All's I know is that it's been colder than a Coal-miner's backside here the last few days, & I could certainly use some of that G.W. everybody keeps yapping about!

[snakeman]

We have had record cold tempuratures here two years in a row but apparently global warming is getting worse. Hmmm. And if if in some places the earth does get warmer. It is a stage. The earth has done it for ever! If something is not exactly right it is the end of the freakin world. All of a sudden everything is our fault. Now some people want to tax farmers more because when their cows fart it releases methane gases and will create a black hole or something in the ozone!

[crashdive123]

If we can cut the politics and money grabbing out of the equation

That's the problem...I don't think you can. I will not discuss my reasons here because then I would have to lock the thread, but IMO the majority of the funding and research on both sides is politically motivated.

[Ole WV Coot]

Send a little of that warming stuff down here. Below zero tonight and that ain't normal. Called a relative North of Caribou, ME and was 48 below. I don't plan on going North the two miles to the grocery store until it warms up.

[crashdive123]

Snakeman - I know it is a difficult discussion to have without bringing politics into it, but that is one of the two things we do not discuss here. Thanks for your efforts to keep politics out of the discussion.

[snakeman]

It's pretty hard not to like you said. I was temped

[Sarge47]

Has anybody here, besides myself, read the book: "State of fear" by Michael Chriten?(don't remember the spelling of his last name.) I referenced it it the 1st thread on this topic I'd posted back on page one. Even Chris gave some info. Like Crash, I can't expound on this without going into a political discussion, but politics is where this is all based.

[Badawg]

You all have to over this "global warming" thing. It does not mean you are gtenerally going to see localized temperature rises across the entire world. some places will get hotter, some will get colder, some will get wetter or dryer... But the last time there was a 2 degree temperature shift globally was in the last ice age and a good half of what we call the US was under 5000 feet of ice. so if we heat it 4 degrees, do you think there will be no change?

[Ziggy]

I did NOT intend this to be a political discussion, I intended it it to be a discussion based on a simple scenario (climate change) and possible pole shift. YOU folks made it political. Debate is the transfer and discussion of ideas. Argument is the passionate debate of ideals. I am not passionate about this, it was simply a provocative question...or so I imagined...

[crashdive123]

[B] YOU folks made it political.

Actually, I think most have done a good job at not making it a political discussion. It's a topic that many people are passionate about - one way or the other. Believe me, if it does turn into a discussion of politics or personal attacks, the thread will be closed. After all......can't we all just get along.

[dbldrew]

Sorry, Roy Spencer is not a legitimate Climatologist... No creds in climatology at all. He's a meteorologist that studies and designs sensors. Not only that but he runs a think tank funded by Exxon mobil. Don't give me Ball either. Both are so tainted by the political brush as to be worthless. The fact of the matter is the legitimate ones are all "bet hedgers" because if they speak out in the media they are called sensationalists and become Pariahs in the scientific community. I know this because I work with scientists every day, and a more conservative group is hard to find. Believe me when I say they want to check for EVERY variable...

Look, I don't really care if any of you want to stick your head in the sand, that's your business. But the fact remains that global warming is real, we don't even begin to know how the planet is truly going to react the the massive amounts of excess carbon we have been dumping into the atmosphere for the last 150 years. We do know that all the negative feedback loops that keep in balance the natural heating and cooling cycles are already overwhelmed though, which means that if we don't get a handle on our emissions, all bets are off...

And those of you that live in low lying territory may want to consider stilts.

UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson,

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-274616db87e6


If co2 really drives global temperatures, then how could it be that during the post war economic boom when we really started dumping co2 into the atmosphere, that from 1940 –1975 the temperature went down and not up?