an absolute must read

**FVR** · 10-20-2007, 04:15 PM

Bugging out, I can see how you could pick your bug out buddies. But bugging in, you really can't pick your neighbors in most cases. You can if you get a group of like minded individuals and create a society of bug ins, or would they already be considered bug outers?

In the latter case you would be in some kind of commune or a group others call "those crazy isolationists."

**HOP** · 10-20-2007, 05:19 PM

I think that bugging in would suggest staying in a urban enviorment which is possiable and the bad side of this puts you next to many who have not prepared which can lead to confrontation when they want your stuff. I think that the low profile approch to either in or out and never showing your actual prepardnes is the key Ragnar Benson has a book called survival retreats which discusses both rural and urbin survival, some god information some quite radical but effective. One thing to concider is that during the great depression country folks did better than most including the rich.

**FVR** · 10-20-2007, 05:45 PM

The preacher man says it’s the end of time
And the Mississippi River she’s a goin’ dry
The interest is up and the Stock Markets down
And you only get mugged
If you go down town

I live back in the woods, you see
A woman and the kids, and the dogs and me
I got a shotgun rifle and a 4-wheel drive
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I can plow a field all day long
I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn
We make our own whiskey and our own smoke too
Ain’t too many things these ole boys can’t do
We grow good ole tomatoes and homemade wine
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Because you can’t starve us out
And you cant makes us run
Cause one-of- ‘em old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn

We came from the West Virginia coalmines
And the Rocky Mountains and the and the western skies
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I had a good friend in New York City
He never called me by my name, just hillbilly
My grandpa taught me how to live off the land
And his taught him to be a businessman
He used to send me pictures of the Broadway nights
And I’d send him some homemade wine

But he was killed by a man with a switchblade knife
For 43 dollars my friend lost his life
Id love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes
And shoot him with my old 45
Cause a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Cause you can’t starve us out and you can’t make us run
Cause one-of- ‘em old boys raisin ole shotgun
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn

We’re from North California and south Alabam
And little towns all around this land
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

**nell67** · 10-21-2007, 03:56 PM

May I ask why you are so defensive towards VW? We all got along so great for so long until certain other newer members joined and started stuff,it all sounds like jealousy to me and it is sad really because VW does offer a different perspective to different circumstances that many would not normally consider.

I wish that we could all get along again like we did in the beginning,a moderator is supposed to keep the peace on a forum not keep it going,cant everyone just shake hands (so to speak) and start fresh and just be friends,it really pains me to see this going on on this forum.

Nell

**Sarge47** · 10-21-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by nell67

May I ask why you are so defensive towards VW? We all got along so great for so long until certain other newer members joined and started stuff,it all sounds like jealousy to me and it is sad really because VW does offer a different perspective to different circumstances that many would not normally consider.

I wish that we could all get along again like we did in the beginning,a moderator is supposed to keep the peace on a forum not keep it going,cant everyone just shake hands (so to speak) and start fresh and just be friends,it really pains me to see this going on on this forum.

Nell

Alright Nell, I'll knock it off.

**woodwose** · 10-21-2007, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by wareagle69

http://www.alpharubicon.com/prepinfo/backpacfever.htm

Can you update this link? I get a 'file not found' page and the computer starts talking back to me. Thanks.

**nell67** · 10-21-2007, 06:27 PM

Thank you very much.

**wareagle69** · 10-21-2007, 08:48 PM

woodwose did you scroll down to dohnny h his link still works he is about post number 4 on page one.

**trax** · 10-23-2007, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by volwest

This anticipation, is the vibration of your own heart beat.

"I'm pickin' up good vibrations
She's givin' me excitations...good, good good, good vibrations"
---Brian Wilson, the Beach Boys

**trax** · 10-23-2007, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by volwest

Bug in, bug out...depends on what the situation calls for yes ?
Well, or what you hear, can hear...are willing to hear.

Should you be ready for both ?
yes.

Should you be ready for neither ?
yes.

.

"I know...I'm in, I'm out. I'm in, I'm out. I can't seem to make up my own mind"
---Ross Perot on whether or not he was running for President a few years back.

**woodwose** · 10-28-2007, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by donny h

Trying to fix the link-
http://www.alpharubicon.com/prepinfo/backpackfever.htm

Thanks... got it.. Hmm, I didn't know this website existed.

**dilligaf2u2** · 11-01-2007, 12:01 AM

The bug out bags(BOB) are packed. The little red wagon is ready for the pack to go on it. I am ready to walk out of here. Will I? Not till all other options are taken.

I have food in the pantry to last months. I have a way to purify water. I have waist control set up if needed. If the stuff hits the fan I can stay right here beating off the hoards of do not haves and want what you haves for some time.

My backs been broke a couple times so carrying 50lbs for a day would be a chore. TDW(The Dear Wife) Has arthritics and can not carry 20lbs for long. TGF(The Girl Friend) is 62 and had open heart surgery.

The wagon would be it. We are set to stay here and defend ourselves for months if need be. If we have to go, I would rather wait for the masses to thin out before we try to cross into the distance hills and take our time moving across the vast wilds of suburbia.

I will not rely on the government to come bail me out. I will not relinquish my means to protect myself or mine. I have no problem saying, I was ready and you were not so why should I have to take care of your sorry asp now?

Bugging out is what you do before the stuff hits the fan and/or only after the stuff has hit the fan and you have no other choice.

Don

**Beo** · 11-02-2007, 10:46 AM

I'm hunting, tracking, and scouting where ever we are. I can cook a little and have basic knowledge of medical needs. Ya don't lke that I'm with like VFR I'm gone see ya later no harm no foul. I more of a hunter protector type but would rather go it alone or most with two other people.
Sarge in the raft... its mine, splash your gone

jk. I don't do any deep water, nothing more than a river.
By the way great read.

**wareagle69** · 11-08-2008, 08:34 AM

i am bumping this up again, i have noticed several people reading this lately so will bring it up for others, when i first came to this forum i was a bug out type of person, i know this article helped shape my new plan, that and this forum, since that time as most of you know i have purchased a large property over an hour outside of the large city (pop 150,000) if you can that large, now live outside a small community pop 500 and have set up a network with other like minded individuals and continue to prepare to bug in, so please read the beginning article it does present some great info

**metloaf** · 11-08-2008, 04:26 PM

Thanks for the bump. As a new guy on here, I found it interesting and gave me some ideas.

**redneckfarmboy** · 11-17-2008, 12:31 PM

I was all for a bug out scenario like WE, I have since moved away from the city...in a sense you could say I made my bug out before the SHTF. now I al fairly well prepared for a bug in... plenty of G&A, little light on the food stores but working on it, I have means for water and energy. horses for travel and we are excellent hunters. my biggest issue right now is family.

first let me say DONT take this the wrong way, I live this way by choice and would choose this choice again without question...but in that choice lies an issue:

I have moved to my farm with my wife and kids my 87 yr old grandmother (sense I do not believe in the whole nursing home scenario) who has dementia and is on lots of medicines for health issues. I also have my 60ish FIL with health issues and again lots of medicine. we chose to bring them to provide care for them as they get older and give them a "happy, worry free" latter years. that being said my bug out options if something happened local are pretty slim, my bug in options are also difficult as one cannot stockpile medicines etc to deal with certain ailments. I have pondered this question alot: "how do I care for, and provide for the elderly family members who can contribute very little if anything, and will become a greater and greater demand on resources in a bug in situation. and if a bug out situation do I choose to leave them behind and take my immediate family only?

A Short term bug in, as a Scenario A situation we would do fine, but ANY scenario B situation creates these ?'s

**rebel** · 12-06-2008, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by redneckfarmboy

I was all for a bug out scenario like WE, I have since moved away from the city...in a sense you could say I made my bug out before the SHTF. now I al fairly well prepared for a bug in... plenty of G&A, little light on the food stores but working on it, I have means for water and energy. horses for travel and we are excellent hunters. my biggest issue right now is family.

first let me say DONT take this the wrong way, I live this way by choice and would choose this choice again without question...but in that choice lies an issue:

I have moved to my farm with my wife and kids my 87 yr old grandmother (sense I do not believe in the whole nursing home scenario) who has dementia and is on lots of medicines for health issues. I also have my 60ish FIL with health issues and again lots of medicine. we chose to bring them to provide care for them as they get older and give them a "happy, worry free" latter years. that being said my bug out options if something happened local are pretty slim, my bug in options are also difficult as one cannot stockpile medicines etc to deal with certain ailments. I have pondered this question alot: "how do I care for, and provide for the elderly family members who can contribute very little if anything, and will become a greater and greater demand on resources in a bug in situation. and if a bug out situation do I choose to leave them behind and take my immediate family only?

A Short term bug in, as a Scenario A situation we would do fine, but ANY scenario B situation creates these ?'s

Any bug-in or out would be short lived. You should take care of the elderly in both situations. As an infant or toddler did they abandon you? No. So, do your best.

**Ole WV Coot** · 12-06-2008, 05:41 PM

I got to this party real late. My position would be the town drunk (every town has one). I would hope to be ignored by the "knuckle draggers" beating their chest. I am gonna appear as harmless as possible and keep my mouth shut, using everything I ever learned to blend in and I sure don't want point on any of your forays. Skip the rear guard also. I will help but won't be at the top of my game on any task. I will keep my hide free of holes and not add anymore scars. I am good at some things and still can and will use whatever it takes. You stir the pot it floats to the top.

**wildWoman** · 12-06-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by wareagle69

original post was about bugging out (b/o) and the diffuculties of day to day survival the link was pretty much an eye opener for me, i have always said thet ppl find the idea of living off the land a romantic notion where in reality it is to me one of the most diffucult undertaking

Very true...especially if you're talking long-term. For a few months or even one year is one thing, but to stick it over years is a whole different ball game. Based on what I've seen up here from people choosing to move out into the bush or live simply, the main reasons they quit that lifestyle seem to be:

-their partner wasn't into it, they split up, and the person left behind didn't want to turn into an old shrivelled hermit

-unrealistic money situation. Either unable to curb their previous needs to a simpler, cheaper lifestyle and/or unable to find regular sources of cash income.

-too idealistic. The teepee and walltent dwellers that only want to use handtools. For only one or two people living the lifestyle, not using any power tools period means non-stop hard physical work in the north, which usually results in a total disenchantment of simple living. Instead of compromising and using a chainsaw, skidoo or whatever, people seem to prefer just getting back to their old lifestyle.

Question is, have they all failed? I'd argue not, because at least they gave it a shot and tried instead of clinging to all the reasons why they couldn't make the move.

**Ole WV Coot** · 12-06-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by rebel

Any bug-in or out would be short lived. You should take care of the elderly in both situations. As an infant or toddler did they abandon you? No. So, do your best.

Congrats, I think you said it all. I wouldn't attempt to add anything like I sometimes try to do.