AK-47 or M16/M4/AR15

**Rick** · 08-20-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by GlockCop

My wife who is very "perdy" gets jealous. Don't go there. You all have filthy minds

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**Ken** · 08-20-2009, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

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16,552 posts. And finally, a good one!

**Rick** · 08-20-2009, 07:25 AM

It is a nice lamp.

**Pict** · 08-20-2009, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by glockcop

Pict, I do not disbelieve you but you must be blessed with a particullarly accurate AK. Every AK that I have worked with had a very difficult time making even a measurable group on a man sized target at 200 yards. They could be measured in feet not inches. A few stock AR's I've used could print 2inch groups all day long at that yardage. You had better hold on to that sucker if it hits like that. The AK's have run great for me. Just could'nt hit much of the "out yander" stuff. It was outside of their capability, not mine. Take care.

My AR is a Romanian WUM-1. It is not a top end AK but it is very well made.
My AK prints 4 inches at 100 yards with good ammo. I have access to a 500 meter range and have shot the AK out to that distance.

One of my favorite things to do is shoot bowling pins in the strip mine. I have no problem hitting them with the AK at 150 yards. In fact I would attribute misses at that range to pilot error not some inherent inaccuracy of the weapon. At that range I am no better with my AR at hitting them.

At 200 yards I still hit what I'm aiming at with either gun. Seriously, man sized targets don't stand a chance with either though you can tell at that range that the AR is more precise. If your target is a clay bird my money is on the AR.

At 300 you start to really notice the difference in a discernible way. At 300 and above I agree that the AK will be printing "feet not inches". There are variety of factors that contribute to this. The AK has very basic sights that are crude and blocky. The AK has a short sight radius. The 7.62x39 round is not a flat shooter. Combine that with a less than ideal trigger and the AK will frustrate a marksman at that range. At 300 it would be hard to pick off a partially exposed target, though you can easily lay down effective fire into a small area even with rapid fire.

At 400 you feel like you're taking potshots with the AK. At that range you will easily drive an exposed person behind cover and may very well hit him. You stand a greater chance of hitting with the AR, better sights, better trigger, flatter shooting round, you just have a better tool for the job at 400 with an AR.

At 500 you are doing good to see your target with either rifle. If you are dialed in an AR will cause soiled underwear at that range. With the AR an individual would conclude "I am being shot at", at 500. At 500 a squad would conclude "We are begin shot at" with an AK.

Mac

**Icemancometh** · 08-20-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

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It took me 20 minutes to see that lamp. I must be in the gutter.

**Rick** · 08-20-2009, 11:16 AM

But you enjoyed that 20 mintues, didn't you? Go on admit it.

**Icemancometh** · 08-20-2009, 11:42 AM

That I did.

**Twosox5** · 08-20-2009, 04:33 PM

So then I'm thinking that I'll definately go for the AR. Now what I need is some help figuring out what types of components (uppers, lowers and all the bells and whistles that are associated). I am atill well into the dark so to speak. Any and all suggestions would be apreciated.

**oldsoldier** · 08-20-2009, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by glockcop

That what I'm talking about. I want one of those HUGE smiley faces so I don't get misunderstood sometimes. I just recently learned how to stick those little suckers in my posts. I am a slow learner. I was really just poking fun. I thought my sarcastic humor was more evident. I did not intend to come across as condescending. Appologies to anyone offended. Now all I need to do is go to confession and my infractions with God will be forgiven. More sarcasm

. Best.

glockcop... No offense taken. Opinions,firearm preferences,etc. are like smilies. Everybody has one it's just some are bigger than others. LOL