Coyota

[scabbyota]

This morning I hiked about a mile in the woods with my metal detector to check out a new area.I walked around a half hour with out much luck so I went down to the creek .The bank on the creek was about four foot high so when I was on my knees digging with my army shovel I was hidden and plus I was wearing camo .After digging up a nail I stood up face to face with in 50 yards of a growling coyote. Best I can figure my metal detector sounds and me splashing in the water made me sound like a animal in distress. I've done some coyota and fox calling but never that easy. No I did not have to clean my pants after that but I came close.

[scabbyota]

I guess you can see I can't spell.Plus I've been working all night.

[nell67]

I have often heard that it is not the coyote that you see that you need to worry about,rather the ones that you DONT see that will get you,I do not know if this is true or not,just something I have heard.

[trax]

they usually hunt in family packs and they usually avoid humans. Wolves avoid humans too, but are over all far better hunters than coyotes. Interestingly, the coyote probably has a better chance at surviving because they've become better at living next to us and scaveging from us.

[HOP]

If his name was Wilie coyote it was obviously the beep beep that attracted him.

[carcajou garou]

It's not the regular coyote that is the foremost danger but in the eastern part of the continent it is the "coy/dog" mix and the more recent "super coyote" that have taken the niche vacated by the departed wolves. (nature abhors a vacum)
They don't react as wolves do and are less afraid of humans. Also just plain "feral dogs are a great threat to those who venture out in the wilds.

[owl_girl]

The coyotes where I live will run away even from a child or an aggressive deer. I always love seeing them but there so reclusive I almost never get the chance. I love listening to them too. I know a family with a coy dog that they rescued and it’s the sweetest dog ever. It really dos looks just like a coyote and it was confirmed by a vet.

[carcajou garou]

Coy/dogs, hybrid wolf dogs are noy part of nature and even though they may seem OK most of them do not respond to the same "instincts" as either dogs or wolves or coyote. They float somewhere in between, in limbo and are unpredictable, to many have attacked, hurt, maimed and even killed....Their temperament are always to be suspect and may triggered by some unseeming act...Do you want to bet your life or even more the life of some child on this?
We do like to play Creator and dabble with genetics even though we don't understand the ramifications.

[owl_girl]

Coy/dogs, hybrid wolf dogs are noy part of nature and even though they may seem OK most of them do not respond to the same "instincts" as either dogs or wolves or coyote. They float somewhere in between, in limbo and are unpredictable, to many have attacked, hurt, maimed and even killed....Their temperament are always to be suspect and may triggered by some unseeming act...Do you want to bet your life or even more the life of some child on this?
We do like to play Creator and dabble with genetics even though we don't understand the ramifications.

They did not breed her that way she was found that way when she was a pup. Whether or not coy dogs and wolf hybrids happen in nature in still very controversial and saying they do or do not happen in nature can only be presented honestly as an opinion. Coyotes, wolves and dogs all understand the pack structure and if there’s a problem it’s usually because the human didn’t understand the pack structure. They all use similar body language and are only unpredictable if you don’t understand that body language. I’ve heard coy dogs and wolf hybrids can bite and maim people but so can dogs and there is no statistical evidence to show hybrids are more likely. I remember there being a high percentage of wolf hybrids in Alaska but I don’t remember there being attacks. From what I understand pet coy dogs are not known for being aggressive but timed and shy which is why the don’t make good guard dogs. Just like regular dogs you will have some variation in personality.

[carcajou garou]

Wolves often kill stray dogs in our area. Numerous occasions of wolves killing chained dogs, cougars will aslo take the free lunch.
As far as pact mentality they are different, a pack of dogs running wild "feral" will devaste deer when they get at them just for the blood lust wolves do not decimate their food supply just for the "thrill" of the kill.
Didn't say necessarily they were aggressive but unpredictable and many states have looked into limiting or banning such mix breeds after a rash of attacks from "the most friendly pet you could imagine", every thing is fun and game until it happens.
Dogs running in packs are extremely dangerous, they don't follow the same rules as wolves and when I am in the bush I shoot all dogs I see easy to spot a lab as opposed to a wolf.
Theres a wide difference between domestic and wild animals and when they mix the outcome is not as a whole predictable.
Again if you have any children would you stake THEIR lives on it?

[carcajou garou]

Heres a small list considering the scarcety of hibrids in general as opposed to plain dogs.
The following is a list of just some - by far not all of the attacks on people by wolf dogs. As more information is collected it will be posted. The purpose for this information being listed is to try and convince the general public that these animals are a danger to children and other people that come in contact with them.

9/81 - Wayne, Michigan - Two-year-old Eric Turner killed by "Mickey" when he wandered within range of his chain.

10/83 - Malad, Idaho - Three year-old David Hammer was killed by one of his family's three pet hybrid wolves when the "boy started to run and the wolf chased him and bit him in the neck and back of the head area."

10/85 - Los Angeles, California - Two-year-old Christopher Nimitz was grabbed and had his arm ripped off by the family's pet wolves when he put his hand through the chain-link fencing of their pen.

3/86 - Anchorage, Alaska - Nicola Martin, 2 years old, was killed while playing in a yard near a chained wolf hybrid.

8/86 - Forest City, North Carolina - four-year-old Brandon Joel Ingle killed by the family's pet hybrid.

8/86 - Fergus Falls, Minnesota - Seventeen -month-old Tyler Strauch' s arm was bitten off by his father's pet hybrid when the hybrid grabbed him as the child played near the hybrid's pen.

8/88 - Washesha, Wisconsin - Eight-year-old David Hoppe pulled off his bike and dragged into a lake by a friend's hybrid; hospitalized with multiple soft tissue injuries.

8/88 - Ft. Walton Beach, Florida - Four-year-old Nathan Carpenter killed by a neighbor's recently acquired hybrid that had been featured as "pet of the week" at the shelter from which it was adopted; Panhandle Area Welfare Society (PAWS) paid a $425,000 settlement to the boy's family.

2/89 - Venice, Florida - Three-year-old Lauren Verner attacked by loose hybrid, receives over 100 stitches.

3/89 - Ishpeming, Michigan - Five-year-old Angie Nickerson was killed by a relative's loose pet hybrid as she walked home from the bus stop. The animal had been a stray that was adopted out by a local humane society and only had been with the family a short time.

3/89 - Big Lake, Minn. Alyshia Ann Berczyk, 3 yrs old, killed by a pet wolf.

5/89 - Staten Island, New York - Two-year-old Timothy Bajinski attacked by his mother's hybrid who "freaked out". Child in critical condition, required extensive reconstructive surgery to face and head.

6/89 - Kenyon, Minnesota - Five-year-old Peter Lernke attacked after wandering into yard of chained wolf; surgery required to remove 12 inches of the child's small intestine and 1/2 of his colon.

8/89 - Regina, Saskatchewan ten-year-old Clinton Goodwell loses arm after being bitten by wolves at Moose Jaw Wild Animal Park

3/90 - Otisville, Michigan - Two-year-old Tanya Elliot killed when she played within reach of a friend's chained hybrid.

4/90 - Anchorage, Alaska - Four-week-old Paul David Mahler is killed by "Kessy," a hybrid, when the child's mother held the infant out to the animal and the hybrid grabbed the child by the head.

5/90 - Denver, Colorado - Six-year-old Lewis Trujillo was bitten 15 times on his legs and groin by a loose hybrid.

8/90 - Phoenix, Arizona-Two-year-old Belinda Jean Bennett bitten by her uncle's hybrid, received over 500 stitches to repair wounds.

9/90 - East Orange, New Jersey. Two Month and 3 Day Old Curtis James Hawkins killed and partially consumed by the family's wolf hybrid while sleeping in his crib.

10/90 - Tabor, South Dakota - Four-year-old Crystal Tipton received extensive lacerations to head, neck, arm, stomach and leg when she got too close to some penned hybrids.

1/90 - Mead, Washington - Four-year-old Melonie Honodel received 30-40 puncture wounds from a friend's hybrid that broke loose from its chain and came after a group of children in a yard, biting and shaking the child until her mother beat it off.

5/91 - Bellingham, Washington - Eighteen-month-old Blake Barber has his arm bitten off after reaching through a fence to pet a hybrid owned by his father.

8/91 - Lolo, Montana - Three-year-old Elaine Sandvig had her arm torn off after reaching into a kennel to pet her grandfather's hybrid.

9/91 - Elk, Washington - Melonie Honodel, now five-years-old, sustained a second hybrid attack requiring 80 stitches to close deep head and face lacerations, and nearly lost an eye when she hugged a friend's "friendly" hybrid while she was visiting the home with her mother.

1/92 - Phoenix, Arizona - Five-year-old Quantee Walker was seriously injured when his family's "friendly" hybrid, "Wolfie", dragged him around the yard by his head “like a rag doll.”

1/92 - Greentown, Indiana - Seven-year-old Devin Dewitt required surgery to repair deep lacerations to his arms, upper chest and face after two of the family's wellcared-for hybrids grabbed his hand and arm as he petted them and then attempted to pull him through the chain-link fencing of their 8' high enclosure.

6/92 - Saginaw, Ml. Two-year-old had part of a finger bitten off after approaching an unprotected wolf enclosure at a zoo and reaching through the fence.

10/93 - Sante Fe, New Mexico - Twelve-year-old Josh Garner died from severe injuries inflicted by his neighbor's "friendly" wolf hybrid, Kodiak.

10/93 -Jamaica, Vermont - Four-year-old Brandon Pike hospitalized in serious condition with bites to his face, spinal column and testicles after being attacked by a four-year-old wolf hybrid.

10/93 - Tucson, Arizona - Three-year-old Jasmine Peterson was critically wounded by a wolf hybrid and its shepherd companion when she fell off a cinder block wall into their yard.

12/93 - Townsend, Vermont - A three-year-old child was killed when a hybrid with new puppies broke out of her pen and attacked the child.

2/94 - Cedar Rapids, Iowa - Four children attacked, three of them seriously wounded, when a hybrid escaped his pen and traveled to a local school playground during a recess period.

3/94 - Cumming, Georgia - Eight-year -old Matthew Slalom was revived by his mom's CPR after receiving massive wounds to the head, neck, and chest when his neighbor's leashed "friendly" hybrid pulled away from his owner while she was chatting with the kids in her yard.

12/94 - Manitowoc, Wisconsin - Two-and-a-half-year-old Jared Mars lost most of his right arm when he reached through the fence of a zoo enclosure to pet a wolf.

1/95 - Black Hawk, South Dakota - Two--year-old Russell Evans was killed when he entered a neighbor's fenced yard containing a chained wolf hybrid.

3/95 - Buffalo Creek, Colorado - Four-year-old Brian Oudemolen received deep cuts on his face and head requiring plastic surgery when a friend's hybrid suddenly attacked the child as he ran and played while he and his mom, the hybrid's owner, and the loose hybrid rambled across a field together.

5/95 - Deland, Florida -James Termerer, 21 months-old suffered massive wounds to his face and neck when a "friendly" wolf/malamute attacked him The owner insisted the animal was just "trying to remove a red-hooded shirt the child was wearing" and "had an affinity for the color red."

9/95 - Lynchburg, Virginia - Derrick Quarles, age seven years suffered severe cuts on his throat, back and legs when the neighbor's hybrids grabbed his jacket through the fence of their backyard enclosure, pulled him into the pen, tore his clothes off and attacked him.

12/95- Chiloquin, Oregon - Three year-old Brian Boss was attacked and dragged out of his yard by a loose hybrid. The child received 39 puncture wounds and a punctured lung and required three hours of surgery to repair the wounds in his chest, abdomen and back.

12/95 - Howell, Michigan - Two year-old Jessie Langley was nearly asphyxiated when her family's "friendly" hybrid crushed her chest while she was sleeping in her bed room.

7/96 - Kalispell, Montana - Nathan Weasetail, age eight years, received severe bites to his legs, buttocks, arms, scalp requiring over 300 stitches after he entered an enclosure containing three wolves that were used for photographic purposes.

10/96 - Rothbury, Michigan - A 12 year-old girl waiting for a school bus was attacked and dragged by a neighbor's hybrid that broke his chain She sustained severe bites all over her body especially her arms requiring seven hours of surgery.

T.J. Adams - killed by wolf Hybrid - June 2002

[owl_girl]

OK now list chows. Compare the statistics between chows and wolf hybrid attacks instead of listing a bunch of wolf hybrid attacks because that’s not going to show if hybrids are more likely to attack or not.

I don’t think most people should have a hybrid but for those that understand the breed and have the time and setup I don’t have a problem with it and I don’t think they should be criticized. Same with border collies, I don’t think most people should have a border collie not because there a bad breed but because most people don’t have the time, energy, setup and understanding of the breed and because of this a lot of people get rid of there border collies because people get them as puppies because there cute and don’t do there research then when the pup grows up the person finds out they cant handle him so they get rid of them and its not because there a bad breed but because people don’t realize how much energy is needed to keep a border collie stable and happy until its to late. But for those that have the energy, time and understanding a border collie can be an awesome dog and wonderful pet.

Obviously people that don’t understand the breed are more likely to create an unstable dog and chained wolves and dogs (depending on the breed) will behave unstably if they live on a chain. I’ve seen dogs that lived on chains that were very unstable because they had no way to release there energy and became frustrated and aggressive.

I wouldn’t purposefully put a child in danger but I’m not convinced that leaving a child with a hybrid is more dangerous then leaving one with a husky, germen shepherd, or any other big dog. So long as the dog is stable and the child is old enough to be responsible around dogs I don’t think the child is in that big of a risk.

But if you can come up with good evidence and statistics from a reliable non biased source I’m all ears.

[FVR]

A list of the 9 dog breeds that bite people the most based on a study of dogs; German shepherds get top honors.
The 9 Breeds of Dog That Bite the Most


According to a 27-year study of dogs in the New York City area made by Dr. Robert Oleson, of the U.S. Public Health Service, these are the 9 dogs most apt to take a nibble out of a human being. They are, in the order of their aggressiveness:


1. German shepherd

2. Chow chow

3. Poodle

4. Italian bulldog

5. Fox terrier

6. Mixed chow chow

7. Airedale

8. Pekingese

9. Mixed German shepherd



Now I've owned 4 chows, the only one that bit was the one that had extreme hip displasia. She only bit me.

But then again, I know chows and I socialized them. Ashley the last one, smartest dog in the world. Great deer tracker, guard dog, kids dog, all around angel. But then I was training her to be a show dog at one point.

Certain breeds of dogs need extra attention in training. Mixed wolves are no exception.

[FVR]

Bad dogs are not born, there is no genetic mutation present in certain dog breeds that make them turn against their owner or reach out and bite their latest victim. Bad dogs are created, usually by the people who raise them, less often by unscrupulous breeders who deliberately or unknowingly breed unsound temperaments to another unstable temperament. Every dog is a product of his environment. Every puppy born is born innocent of future charges levied against him by the public.

All dogs go to heaven.

[FVR]

I'm just having fun here.



OLD DOGS, CHILDREN AND WATERMELON WINE

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1. I WAS SITTING IN MIAMI POURING BLENDED WHISKY DOWN
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WHEN THIS OLD GREY BLACK GENTLEMAN WAS CLEANING UP THE LOUNGE
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THERE WASN'T ANYONE AROUND BUT THIS OLD MAN AND ME
D C D G
THE GUY WHO TENDED BAR WAS WATCHING IRONSIDES ON TV
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UNINVITED, HE SAT DOWN AND OPENED UP HIS MIND
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ON OLD DOGS AND CHILDREN, AND WATERMELLON WINE.

2. HAVE YOU EVER HAD A DRINK OF WATERMELLON WINE HE ASKED
HE TOLD ME ALL ABOUT IT THOUGH I DIDN'T ANSWER BACK
AIN'T BUT THREE THINGS IN LIFE THAT'S WORTH A SOLITARY DIME
THAT'S OLD DOGS AND CHILDREN, AND WATERMELLON WINE.

3. HE SAID WOMEN THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES WHEN THEIR MENFOLK AREN'T AROUND
AND FRIENDS ARE HARD TO FIND WHEN THEY DISCOVER THAT YOU'RE DOWN
HE SAID I TRIED IT ALL WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND IN MY NATURAL PRIME
NOW IT'S OLD DOGS AND CHILDREN AND WATERMELLON WINE.

4. HE SAID OLD DOGS CARE ABOUT YOU EVEN WHEN YOU MAKE MISTAKES
GOD BLESS LITTLE CHILDREN WHILE THEY'RE STILL TOO YOUNG TO HATE
AS HE MOVED AWAY I GOT MY PEN AND COPIED DOWN THAT LINE
ON OLD DOGS AND CHILDREN AND WATERMELLON WINE.

5. I HAD TO CATCH A PLANE UP TO ATLANTA THE NEXT DAY
AS I LEFT FOR MY ROOM I SAW HIM PICKING UP MY CHANGE
THAT NIGHT I DREAMED IN PEACEFULL SLEEP OF SHADY SUMMER TIMES
OF OLD DOGS AND CHILDREN AND WATERMELLON WINE

[carcajou garou]

Owl_girl, you call that list biased I am not very good at the internet,
here's where I got this one: http://www.leerburg.com/wolf2.htm
All I'm trying to say people get certain breeds to aquire certain traits and in doing so get a more predictable result.
Change or mix those breeds and it will vary the outcome a lot.
Now introduce a wild animal with a domectic animal and the traits become much less defined and controlled, even though they can breed together.
To many backyard breeders are producing these mixes with only dollars in mind and no though or care of the end results (as with domestic dogs).
You have come accross a pleasent mix, good for you.
With many of these attack there was a lack of adult supervision, an portion of the blame does rest in those cases, not only with the hybrid.

I can't quote but here goes:
"I wouldn’t purposefully put a child in danger but I’m not convinced that leaving a child with a hybrid is more dangerous then leaving one with a husky, germen shepherd, or any other big dog. So long as the dog is stable and the child is old enough to be responsible around dogs I don’t think the child is in that big of a risk."

I would not be willing to put a child (any child) in such a position, my personal beliefs not withstanding.
I am not trying to convince you, I think you have your own thoughts.

[owl_girl]

Also carcajou garou I think you misunderstood what I meant by pack structure, I mean more like social structure, whether or not they kill there pray has little or nothing to do with pack structure. The biggest difference I can see from what I understand is wolves always prefer to be in a pack where coyotes may go solitary while food is plentiful and regroup when its not. But while there grouped up the structure seems the same. And when you take home a dog that dog should know that you and your family are his pack in order to be stable.

I do agree that wolves kill stray dogs but occasionally lone wolves will try to become part of dog packs so long as the dogs are larg enough not to look like pray. I’ve heard of this happening to sled dog teams. Whether or not this gives them the chance for possible breeding… it sounds possible but I don’t know, I do find it interesting though.

FVR
Thankyou for that list. Some of the best doges I’ve known were on that list lol particularly the German shepherd, I’ve also known some sweet Chow chows and Poodles. My mom tolled about a German shepherd her family had, when my mom was a little girl she wasn’t aloud by the lake that was on the edge of there back yard because the water got really deep and every time she would go down by it her German shepherd would come and grab her by the pants and pull her back up to the house.

[owl_girl]

I didn’t call the list biased. I did asked for statistics and evidence from a reliable non biased source but your list is not statistics or evidence because it doesn’t show if hybrids are more likely to attack or not as I can list a bunch of dog attacks from any breed. I don't question the lists reliability I question its relevance no offence intended but like I said I can list a bunch of attacks from almost any breed.

[FVR]

Here is a link about wolf hybrids.

http://www.apetsblog.com/dogbreedinf...dog-hybrid.htm

This article about sums it up.

I at onetime wanted a wolf hybrid, but after alot of research decided that I did not have the room needed to raise one.

That is one of the wonderful things about chows. They make great apartment dogs yet also make outstanding yard and country dogs. Their temperment if trained well, is very pleasant even though the just scare the hell out of people.

Oh yeh, she was a blue chow...........Chick magnet! My roommate would take her down to the Chattahooche park, in his convertable Karma Gia and the phone number he got. The ladies all wanted to my little girl.

I only took Ashley off lead in the woods, never in public. Not that I was scared that she would bite or attack someone, rather I was scared some idiot would attack her thinking she was an attack dog.

[owl_girl]

I’ve been to that site before and I have to say I disagree with the part about them owning you the way a cat dose, there is always an alpha and omega and for the human to be omega would be bad whether you have wolves, dogs, coyotes, or any mix there of.