Survivorman/Man vs. Wild.

**Sarge47** · 10-07-2007, 10:26 AM

Let's see. Bear BAAAD! Les GOOOD! Got it!

**wareagle69** · 10-07-2007, 10:33 AM

i am surprised that grylli vannilli is still on the tube but one show that no one ever talks about is ray mears he is the best and most realistic wish he would come out with more shows, but i guess that unless you live this lifestyle ppl would find him boring..

**Sarge47** · 10-07-2007, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by wareagle69

i am surprised that grylli vannilli is still on the tube but one show that no one ever talks about is ray mears he is the best and most realistic wish he would come out with more shows, but i guess that unless you live this lifestyle ppl would find him boring..

Ray Mears isn't shown down this-a-way that I know of...bummer!

**wareagle69** · 10-07-2007, 10:37 AM

you should look up his bush craft series also ultimate survival.

**Sarge47** · 10-07-2007, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by wareagle69

you should look up his bush craft series also ultimate survival.

Where would I find that WE?

**mbarnatl** · 10-07-2007, 11:04 AM

Ray Mears video on youtube His actual website is: http://www.raymears.com/

**owl_girl** · 10-07-2007, 02:50 PM

Ray Mears World of Survival was the show I use to watch back in year 2000 I think. I want to get some of his dvd’s when I get the money. He sells them on his my space. http://www.myspace.com/raymears

**saiga7** · 10-09-2007, 08:39 PM

well since the Kalahari thread got locked for no logical reason other than the moderator's a big fan of Les....the question still remains...if this were a real survival situation and no rescuers came....someone taking Les' advice of staying situated would have also ran out of water and energy to go out and search for water or civilization......and perhaps die.

while Bear's approach would be to go look for a way out while having water and full strength.

**trax** · 10-10-2007, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by saiga7

well since the Kalahari thread got locked for no logical reason other than the moderator's a big fan of Les....the question still remains...if this were a real survival situation and no rescuers came....someone taking Les' advice of staying situated would have also ran out of water and energy to go out and search for water or civilization......and perhaps die.

while Bear's approach would be to go look for a way out while having water and full strength.

Man, that's just sad. How long do you think you have "water and full strength" wandering around in the Kalahari desert? The moderator, I believe, suggested that your argument be moved to this thread to begin with, I see it hasn't discouraged the argument any having to move this far, you must have brought water and full strength to get here. I think the truth is that in either situation, if no rescuers came, you'd die-- whatever either Les or Bear tell us notwithstanding. You'll just die faster walking around.

Personally, I'm just feeling better and better about not watching either show. I don't have a currant bush to plug my tv into when I'm outdoors.

**owl_girl** · 10-10-2007, 03:19 PM

I agree with trax. Also cars are easier to spot so you would probably be more likely to be found if you stayed with it.

**hello15944** · 10-10-2007, 07:48 PM

i agree with you owl girl

**trax** · 10-11-2007, 12:03 PM

Hello hello agrees with owl_girl, owl_girl agrees with me! Shazam! and I agree with FVR, so he's the smart one, both shows are gettin' pretty freakin' old. BTW, I loved what WarEagle said "grylli vanilli", I thought it was brilli-ant.

**BillHay** · 10-25-2007, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by saiga7

i don't see the big deal. drinking water from elephant poo was never a necessity neither because the camera crew probably had a ton of water with them should he need it.

giving advice on what to do when you encounter a guy in a bear suit is about the same as him jumping into quicksand on purpose. just an illustration on TV on how to handle the situation. Bear's setting of survival is about 2-3 days only. it could be forever before running into a real bear...should he waits for one.....what if the bear attacks? the crew would have shot the poor thing.

Bear teaches many risky techniques that most novices shouldn't attempt, but what if you're stuck in that situation? consider the Korean guy who got stranded in the snow drift of Oregon with his wife and child. after 6 days of staying in their car and surviving....after they exhausted all of their resources, he had to do what he had to do. he trekked out for help and died.

both shows has their merits and i like them both.

This qoute concerns me, especially the part about both shows having merit , then the part about the Korean guy dying. These shows and people dying is what concerns me. TV makes life look too easy. It is sad , The Koean guy had a name. The Korean guy had a family and people are hurting cause hes gone, The Korean guy is a hero for trying, in my mind any way. These shows glamorize a "scenario" that is bull**** , or the scenario is far fetched and has happened to NO one. Why cant they see this? We all need to brainstorm. Get a plan, then write a script, a realistic script, then present it to the networks.

**Sarge47** · 10-25-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by BillHay

This qoute concerns me, especially the part about both shows having merit , then the part about the Korean guy dying. These shows and people dying is what concerns me. TV makes life look too easy. It is sad , The Koean guy had a name. The Korean guy had a family and people are hurting cause hes gone, The Korean guy is a hero for trying, in my mind any way. These shows glamorize a "scenario" that is bull**** , or the scenario is far fetched and has happened to NO one. Why cant they see this? We all need to brainstorm. Get a plan, then write a script, a realistic script, then present it to the networks.

The networks main concern is their ratings and subsequent profits. could those here that are qualified to write such a program sell it to some "chair-bound fat-cat" who's concept of "Survival" is that it's a reality show.

**warrigal** · 10-30-2007, 02:19 AM

Ok here is my problem with Bear. I first came across the show a couple months ago when it was brought to my atttention by some Army Cadets( 15 to 18yr olds) I was running a survival course for over about nine weeks. The problem is some of the information is reasonable, viable and good and some of it is just downright dangerous. But I know more about survival in arid and jungle areas than I do about mountains and frozen wastes. Only because thoses are the areas I have lived in and played in.
But If you don't have enough info on a certain area you might think that piece of infomation is something I have heard before so it must be OK so the next bit info I haven't heard before must be OK as well.
I was livid that now that I had lit the fire in these kid about being aware in the bush and this idiot is filling their heads with crap that might kill them.
Having said that I wonder how much of this is Bears doing and how much of it is the show producers saying "No,No lets do it this way it'll make better television."
You don't get to climb Everest or be excepted to the Special Air Service, (Even if it is the national guard version) if you are a complete idiot.
Carl

**explodingearth** · 10-30-2007, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by ky archer

I have only seen Man vs Wild one time and almost threw my Bud Light at the television and some of the crap he was doing. I believe he was in the Copper Canyon region of Mexico and just doing some stupid s$%t in my opinion.He was climbing down a sheer cliff and then jumping over a gulch to get down when it was obvious that an easier and SAFER route was visible from the top of the ridge he was on. Then he was jumping off of waterfalls into a river with no way of knowing what lay beneath the water. If you are in a survival situation these are things you should never take a chance on,unless someone's chasing you with an AK 47! I like Survivorman much better as it is more realistic and Les rarely takes stupid chances like whats his face does. Just my opinion.

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**explodingearth** · 10-30-2007, 03:56 AM

i dont see the point in killing animals for a TV show. he could just as easily and effectively caught the animals, shows us how would COULD kill and cook it... and cook up a batch of rice in the animals place. why kill something if you dont have to?

**sticks65** · 11-16-2007, 06:20 PM

im fed up now im never going to watch either show again or read these threads again enough is enough.

**FVR** · 11-16-2007, 07:29 PM

I can't stand fraud. That is what he is. If you are going to portray trapping, killing, skinning, and preparing a critter to eat, then by god do it.

I went to school today in my buckskins, my wife met me in school and asked "hun, you're wearing a breech cloth, no underwear?" I said "sweety, if I'm going to portray a Native American, I'm going to do it right, no BS."

Hey, the teachers did not mind. Kind of got around the school, real fast.