Survivorman/Man vs. Wild.

[klkak]

The following are quotes from earlier in this thread.

post #445 of this thread It is good that the two shows have encouraged some folk to learn about survival. However. There are to many time on those programs where the techniques they use could kill you as apposed to saving you. Don't forget Bear is an accomplished mountaineer/climber. Trying to do some of his stunts without his skill is worse then a bad idea. For example, venturing into a glacial ice cave, climbing a waterfall or as Les did placing his camp on a river sandbar when its raining in the mountains above him. I would suggest viewing the programs as entertainment only and investing in some real world practical survival training.

post #448 of this thread I would also add, not only is Bear an accomplished mountaineer/climber, but he was in the British Special Forces (for 3 years), he's in outstanding physical condition, and passed the training tests for the French Foreign Legion (which is a great accomplishment). BUT the show is dangerous!

[chiye tanka]

TR, LISTEN to what is being said. When I first joined, I got "bit" with my first post by Sarge. I licked my wounds, and am still here.
All the members here are open and willing to help anyone learn, provided we are willing to be taught.
Just some survival food for thought.

[trax]

I'm going to email Les Stroud and tell him not only can he have sex with my daughter, I'm also including him in my will.

Um, just for the benefit of the unattached younger gentlemen in this forum, how often do you.....no, never mind that would just be rude...

[crashdive123]

Trapper Rick - I don't think you offended anybody's feelings. BTW I have a few heroes in my life, and I can assure you that neither Les nor Bear are one of them. Here's the issue I have with Bear....1st, in another thread it was Klkad that noted he is SAS trained, an mountain climber, and competent athlete - nobody would deny any of that. Somebody watching the show that does not have the same skill sets that he has, but tries to emulate what they see are going to either hurt themselves or worse. Can valuable infromation be picked up from his show? I believe it can be. Since some of the exposure of what really takes place on the show, he now adds disclaimers. One time when he didn't - and was shooting a rapid sans kyak you can clearly see the outline of a life preserver under his shirt (youtube video). Now neglecting to let an inexperienced viewer in on that little trick could cost them their life. Here's what some from the other side of the pond think of him. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d--hotels.html

[klkak]

No body on this forum hates Bear or Les! we dislike them passing on bad or dangerous information. In turn, We caution folks to view them as entertainment only. There is possibly hundreds of years of survival experience on this forum. The majority of experienced people on here agree a great deal of the things that Bear does on his show and to a lesser extent Les on his show, are either down right dangerous, careless or impractical.

[Rick]

The first thing you have to do is put all of this into perspective.

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Done! No one has a bulls eye on them unless you hang it there yourself. As far an entertainment value it's fine. If you want to learn survival skills, you can learn some good ones from either one. You can also pick up some very dangerous ones. More from Bear, I'm afraid that from Les. Either way, I wouldn't put all my trust in either one. Hang on.

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There! All better.

[Gray Wolf]

I was unaware that if you have a dissenting opinion of some on this board, people's fangs come out.

TR it has nothing to do with dissenting opinions, we have kids on this board that are members and are only 12 years of age. I don't want to be responsible for one of them getting sick or hurt or worse, because of what the adults here say. I don't idolize either of them. I was the one who posted:
"I would also add, not only is Bear an accomplished mountaineer/climber, but he was in the British Special Forces (for 3 years), he's in outstanding physical condition, and passed the training tests for the French Foreign Legion (which is a great accomplishment). BUT the show is dangerous!"

I'm sure your aware of kids imitating (at 10-16 years old) the WW- and have gotten severely hurt. They look up to us for answers here about wilderness survival. We even look to each other for new ideas, or answers to things we don't know. That's it.... Nothing to do with dissenting opinions.

[trax]

Unless of course you disagree then it's all about dissenting opinions again, but overall, I'd say that Gray Wolf guy sure does put some serious thoughts into his posts and the posts are always well composed. I'd probably vote for him for moderator (gotta balance out Crash's ego here) In fact I might befriend both those dudes ifn' they weren't durned Americans......(oh Whoops! We're already friends )

[klkak]

I think Trax should be a moderator. Oops, strike that. He can't be a moderator he's the Emperor or something already.

[crashdive123]

Judging from TR's avatar change, I'd say he may not want to play anymore.

[Gray Wolf]

Sign language is my guess.

[trax]

Judging from TR's avatar change, I'd say he may not want to play anymore.

Or he's flirting with someone. Heyyy, the guy said he had a sense of humor, come on now..

How about (or aboot if I wish to translate to my native tongue, Canajun) if I'm just a moderate emporer klkak?

[Sarge47]

I don't want you to go overboard about Bear or Les. Take them of leave them, but remember, there are certain things no one should do in a survival situation, & drinking urine is one of them. In one of his shows Les did show how to "distill" urine to make it safe to drink, & that's the only way to do it. I like Les cuz he blows a mean harp, mainly. But he also demonstrates certain survival tools, like the Magnesium Block for fire making, so everyone can see how it works. My favorite program with him in it was not "Survivorman", but rather an episode of "I Shouldn't be Alive; the Science of Survival." I DO think that Bear has a cute tush for an SAS guy, however, as does your avatar, is that a "self-portrait"?

[nell67]

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/r...-show-7983.php

[Dennis K.]

I can certainly understand Les Stroud's reasoning. I think he has done an excellent job of getting people to think more about their natural surroundings.

I think his blog mentioned that he working on more "off the grid" projects.

Looking forward to his farewell season, and sad to see it go.

[Gray Wolf]

In tonight's episode, Les needs a SAR team rescue, when he gets lost (it's a new one).
Should be interesting, being that he has lots of training. What goes wrong???

[Rick-SAR]

Sarge47,

Right on! When we find lost subjects they DON"T have a survival pack with them. If they did they would also be smart enough to know navigation, tell somone where they are going etc. Most folks we look for are in trouble because they don't know enough to have good boots, warm clothes, water, PLBs, SPOT beacons, etc.

We also teach survival (not the Tom Brown kind) to med flight crews on how to stay put, stay warm and wait for rescue.

I do think these shows show more of what not to do then what to do. Eating bugs, vegetation, etc., will do more to harm (or not do much to help) you and you spend a lot of needed energy doing it.

A new book out "Lost Person Behavior" by Robert J. Koester, says that 93% of 12,900 world wide searches were located withing 24 hours of being lost. Of 1881 lost subjects that were surveyed only 6% had survival training.

Take care,

Rick-SAR www.SearchAndRescueTraining.com

[Sarge47]

To all members who don't know who Rick-SAR is he's a bona-fide "Search & Rescue" guy who has a lot on his plate, so he doesn't post as much on here as I would like, but I count every post he DOES make a blessing.

[Ole WV Coot]

I enjoy his no BS posts and the stats. Glad for his posts also.

[sgtdraino]

Looking forward to his farewell season, and sad to see it go.

Ditto. Survivorman has been great.

In tonight's episode, Les needs a SAR team rescue, when he gets lost (it's a new one).
Should be interesting, being that he has lots of training. What goes wrong???

I was a bit disappointed when I saw this, and learned that nothing really went wrong. Les was participating in an excercise with the local SAR team, and got lost on purpose so that they could get some practice looking for him.