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    Nell's answer regarding Home-school is right on the money! Children, like the rest of us, become products of their social environment. Their peer-group forms the kind of person that they become. Let that peer-group be that child's parents. My 2nd son was raised this way & the difference between him & the people his age around him is astounding! Oh, & keep him away from Rick's "Twinkie" suit.
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    Hey, I was edumacated in publik scool. Nuthin rong with mee.
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    My daughter was educated in the Department of Defence School (DODS) system. Almost like private school. My wife and I pay for our grandchildern to attend a private Christian school in Anchorage.
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    My advice don't get discouraged if you feel you fall short, the fact tha you have all the best intentions means your on the right track. Raise him well rounded but firm in his beliefs also I don't know but in my age group the biggest thing I find lackin is moral and patriotic value. My favorite quote is

    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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    Interpet it how you like but make him or her have purpose in life and you will do just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge47 View Post
    Nell's answer regarding Home-school is right on the money! Children, like the rest of us, become products of their social environment. Their peer-group forms the kind of person that they become. Let that peer-group be that child's parents. My 2nd son was raised this way & the difference between him & the people his age around him is astounding! Oh, & keep him away from Rick's "Twinkie" suit.
    From the education value I agree. But do you think there is no value in the social interaction? I see value in this. I think home schooling lacks in social development. They only know you and yours. Not unlike my opinion of most only children. They did not learn there is a pecking order. I want my kids to have some time to see what other people are like and how to deal with them. I won’t pull this off topic about it. I will start another thread.

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    My son turns 8 next month. Even though his mom and I divorced when he was 2, I see him several times a week (including multiple nights at my house). I don't have a lot of money, but I've got time. That's what he wants from me. This weekend, we are going on a camping trip to NW Georgia with some fathers/sons from his school. Should be a great time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge47 View Post
    Nell's answer regarding Home-school is right on the money! Children, like the rest of us, become products of their social environment. Their peer-group forms the kind of person that they become. Let that peer-group be that child's parents. My 2nd son was raised this way & the difference between him & the people his age around him is astounding! Oh, & keep him away from Rick's "Twinkie" suit.

    Have to disagree with two folks I like a whole lot here. The schools aren't the problem. Schools become the problem when parents believe their job begins and ends at the front door of the school.

    Be intricately involved with any group that spends any amount of time with your child: childcare, preschool, school, Scouts, churches, Little League . . . anything. It is fine that they learn from other adults and other situations, but remember always your role as the primary source. Let them bond with coaches and teachers and ministers and scoutmasters, but always be there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostOutrider View Post
    Have to disagree with two folks I like a whole lot here. The schools aren't the problem. Schools become the problem when parents believe their job begins and ends at the front door of the school.

    Be intricately involved with any group that spends any amount of time with your child: childcare, preschool, school, Scouts, churches, Little League . . . anything. It is fine that they learn from other adults and other situations, but remember always your role as the primary source. Let them bond with coaches and teachers and ministers and scoutmasters, but always be there as well.
    Obviously you haven't been in every school there is,I have been involved in everything my kids have done, even sat in class to "control" my youngest because the teachers couldn't teach the class,they push you and push you to put them on meds now because they want little zombie kids in their class rooms.He was the quietest kid I had until he went to school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan View Post
    From the education value I agree. But do you think there is no value in the social interaction? I see value in this. I think home schooling lacks in social development. They only know you and yours. Not unlike my opinion of most only children. They did not learn there is a pecking order. I want my kids to have some time to see what other people are like and how to deal with them. I won’t pull this off topic about it. I will start another thread.
    Sorry to disagree with you RiM, but my son never has lacked for "social development". The only difference is he doesn't buy into their BS! He comes out as a leader, not a follower. I don't believe that you have to subject a child to a bad situation to get them to "experience" something. They can do that on any level, but it's better if that level can be controlled. I find that now I have a granddaughter that is being home-schooled as well. Just for the record, & you might find this interesting, both my son & my Grand-daughter have been home schooled for the same reason...a bunch of B.S. on the part of the public school system! We also came to find out that my son's education was superior to that to which he would have gotten in public school. He's since gone to college & made the Dean's List!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nell67 View Post
    Obviously you haven't been in every school there is,
    No ma'am, can't say I have. Then again, I don't know too many who can make that claim, either.

    But, I do know my school. And I know my profession. Still, this is a thread celebrating being a new daddy and I don't want to derail it. I'd welcome a discussion over PM, though, where we could share some experiences.

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    Just to focus the discussion, and to get back on task. We are planning to home school. In our area this a homeschool co-op, which has a book exchange, weekly social activities etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason_Montana View Post
    In our area this a homeschool co-op, which has a book exchange, weekly social activities etc...
    Jason, could you please explain that more in detail. I have never heard of homeschool co-op before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Wolf View Post
    Jason, could you please explain that more in detail. I have never heard of homeschool co-op before.
    Sure, there are a couple of Nat'l Organizations that focus on "home schooling" and there are "support groups" in local areas that are affiliated with the organizations. These local groups host regularly scheduled events that are designed to allow kids to socialize and parents to exchange ideas on teaching, etc... Some groups have events twice a week even.

    Here are a couple of links that will get you going
    http://www.nhen.org/support/groups/browse.asp
    http://www.americanhomeschoolassociation.org/
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    Also, many local churches have homeschool groups as well. So, if you are a great teacher of biology, but grammar vexes you, you can frequently find other parents that can teach those topics - kind of a trade/barter system. Through these groups, you can also find music teachers, foreign language teachers, etc.
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    Do you get any taxes reimbursed? I know I paid a lot of school taxes (property tax) every year.
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    Not in my area. In fact you still have to pay those taxes here, no matter if your kids are home schooled, got to private school or whatever. Heck, you have to pay them even if you don't have kids
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    No. Even though homeschoolers do not directly benefit from their local public schools, the support of local school systems through property tax is considered a community project, just like roads, sewage, trash removal, etc.
    Also, many homeschool kids are eligible for activities like all-state band, orchestra, or choir. Some homeschool groups use things like standardized tests and assessments or screening tools.
    Paying for public education through your taxes is not like purchasing a service.
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    No, staying close to home....waiting, paitently waiting....any day now
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