Does this flag bother you?

**trax** · 08-13-2008, 12:10 PM

Yeah, RiM, go carve a swastika into your forehead and come back and ask me. People are what they are, but RiM makes a good point, people are also, and symbols are, what the individual perceives. Individuals are going to make those perceptions based on emotional rather than logical thinking, pretty much everytime. If I see someone with a Muslim crescent on his t-shirt I'm not going to go ask his opinion of the state of Israel. Similarly, I see a lot of Che Guevera flags and t-shirts, are all those people ready to start some kind of revolution? Probably not. My thinking is, you've got one country, that flag represents when you had two. Now, here where I live, I see a lot of people flying a Metis flag to show their pride in their heritage, it's a royal blue background with a white infinity symbol. My understanding is that the colors were chosen because of the colors of Quebec's provincial flag. An awful lot of Quebec wants their provincial flag to be their national flag...they want out. I think, until that happens, if and when sort of thing, we're one country and we live under one national flag. I've never seen as much national pride among Canadians over their flag as I see among my American friends and it's something I admire about America, so I think if someone wants to fly a separatist flag, tell them to go ahead and try separating and see how that works out for them.

**ryaninmichigan** · 08-13-2008, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by trax

Yeah, RiM, go carve a swastika into your forehead and come back and ask me. People are what they are, but RiM makes a good point, people are also, and symbols are, what the individual perceives. Individuals are going to make those perceptions based on emotional rather than logical thinking, pretty much everytime. If I see someone with a Muslim crescent on his t-shirt I'm not going to go ask his opinion of the state of Israel. Similarly, I see a lot of Che Guevera flags and t-shirts, are all those people ready to start some kind of revolution? Probably not. My thinking is, you've got one country, that flag represents when you had two. Now, here where I live, I see a lot of people flying a Metis flag to show their pride in their heritage, it's a royal blue background with a white infinity symbol. My understanding is that the colors were chosen because of the colors of Quebec's provincial flag. An awful lot of Quebec wants their provincial flag to be their national flag...they want out. I think, until that happens, if and when sort of thing, we're one country and we live under one national flag. I've never seen as much national pride among Canadians over their flag as I see among my American friends and it's something I admire about America, so I think if someone wants to fly a separatist flag, tell them to go ahead and try separating and see how that works out for them.

You might be surprised. Actually probably not, the things that have been muttered my way in Flint Michigan looking this way.

**trax** · 08-13-2008, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan

You might be surprised. Actually probably not, the things that have been muttered my way in Flint Michigan looking this way.

Back to what I said about perceptions, bro....((shrugs))

**ryaninmichigan** · 08-13-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by trax

Back to what I said about perceptions, bro....((shrugs))

What I am saying is a perception is what keeps this farce going. That and Jesse and Al. I perceive all Black men to be robbers. Black people perceive me to be a racist. I don’t perceive all Black men as a threat. A lot of them still perceive me to be one. I perceive the A## hole trying to rob, hurt, or otherwise disrespect my family the threat.

**trax** · 08-13-2008, 12:41 PM

I ain't arguing. I recently had to do a presentation at an old folks home and one of the staff wanted me to tell her how she should handle this little old lady who was flat out racist against some of the other old folks, I didn't have an answer for her. But that old gal was in her eighties, wonder what her kids and grandkids think like.......things aren't gonna change overnight.

**ryaninmichigan** · 08-13-2008, 12:44 PM

Some of my friends have parents that are the most racist people I have ever met. They grew up in Missouri in the 40s and 50s. Is it right? Nope. You gonna change them? Nope. That is all they know. This is why Barrack will not be pres. We are still 2 or 3 generations away from a black pres.

**Beo** · 08-13-2008, 12:54 PM

Keep thinking that, see me when he wins.
Not that I want him too but McCain is nothing but a Bush, he's as old as dirt 74-I think, and will keep us in wars. But ya gotta pick one and if you don't vote then don't complain, but remember the lesser of two evils is still evil.

**ryaninmichigan** · 08-13-2008, 02:27 PM

Were are pretty much screwed for the next 4 years. But no I don't think Obbama can pull it off. There are to many voting people that grew up knowing nothingbut racisim. Weather you still play into it or not. Deep down people have issues with other races. Science has proven you subconciously, all of us exhibit some form of racisim.

**trax** · 08-13-2008, 02:57 PM

Mr Whichever SuperModerator is Available, please feel free to step up and slap the crap out of the conversation that just turned political, thank you very much.

**Beo** · 08-13-2008, 03:02 PM

Yes it did, sorry. End of this thread for me. Next issue please.

**VampireRanger676** · 08-13-2008, 03:23 PM

A symbol is nothing unless a idea is there to support it

**trax** · 08-13-2008, 03:42 PM

that's very philosophical VR, so is an idea nothing without a symbol there to represent it?

**VampireRanger676** · 08-13-2008, 03:44 PM

As long as a idea is believed in it becomes it's own symbol

**ryaninmichigan** · 08-13-2008, 04:05 PM

I gotta an idea. I'm going fishing..

**Beo** · 08-13-2008, 04:07 PM

As in the case of the flag and racial problems by those carrying it and those believing them.

**Rick** · 08-13-2008, 05:34 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_o...tes_of_America

**Sarge47** · 08-13-2008, 07:01 PM

Okay you guys ,now you got me all confused...are you saying that Obama is partial to the Confederate flag?

Anyway, Trax is right, let's leave the politics out of it. Shoot, I ain't tellin' you hooligans who I'm voting for until after the election.

Nice Link Rick. Vampire Ranger, wise-up! You want to go into the Rangers you best be understanding just how important the flag is!

Someone want to tell him about the hidden compartment inside/under the flag-pole at all military bases & what it contains...& what the contents are to be used for?

Maybe we should start a new thread entitled: "What is a Flag?"

**Sam Reeves** · 08-13-2008, 07:33 PM

I can understand people's resentment of the flag of my forefathers but I can't understand people coming to the South and whining about it.

Usually the ones who are offended by this flag are indifferent toward a FUBU jacket.