For our non military members

[DEET]

First of all if you don't know me I'm a veteran with a survival school that being said I want to ask our non vet members a few questions that came to my mind during a role playing excersise we did here to help me with my students. Please be honest with your answers I'm trying to better understand my students without singling them out in class.

1) Do you feel your bug out/in kit should contain anti personnell equipment (rifles, handguns, pepper spray, tank, bazooka )

2) If in a group would you be able to follow orders from someone with more experience even if you personally don't like them.

3) To what lengths would you go to keep you and/or your family safe and healthy?

4) Last question, if you had an injured companion would you leave them to die if were the only way you could survive?

Thanks in advance for your responses they are greatly appreciated and remeber please be totally honest, also no argueing over someones response it's important I get honest feelings.

[Sarge47]

First of all if you don't know me I'm a veteran with a survival school that being said I want to ask our non vet members a few questions that came to my mind during a role playing excersise we did here to help me with my students. Please be honest with your answers I'm trying to better understand my students without singling them out in class.

1) Do you feel your bug out/in kit should contain anti personnell equipment (rifles, handguns, pepper spray, tank, bazooka:

2) If in a group would you be able to follow orders from someone with more experience even if you personally don't like them.

3) To what lengths would you go to keep you and/or your family safe and healthy?

4) Last question, if you had an injured companion would you leave them to die if were the only way you could survive?

Thanks in advance for your responses they are greatly appreciated and remeber please be totally honest, also no argueing over someones response it's important I get honest feelings.

Or should I call you "insect repellent"? here's my answers to your questions as a "non-military" person.

1.) Depends on the situation. Carrying a gun in the wrong area could get you in trouble. Bear/pepper spray is okay as is a squirt gun filled with rubbing alcohol. I carry a small spray can of 100% Deet, so that might also work as a deterrent to somebody or large animal.

2.) Yes.

3.) Whatever it takes, hope I don't have to shoot anyone, can't speak for my wife though.

4.) I can't answer that.

Welcome back Wolf. Glad I hung around too. If you want to join us in the thread "survival scenario #2" I'can write you in as someone who was knocked out and comes to later so you can be involved. Let us know. I think your abilities as a survival instructor might be good here.

[wareagle69]

me and fvr got into this a little truth was scary

1- always have at least a handgun(not leagal in canada) but i am an american.

2 i do not really go out in a group i can't tolerate ppl that much, if someone was more experienced would i follow yes, but if i din't like them then probably not, if i can't respect you i sure ain't goona follow you.

3 there are no limits on what i would do to protect my wife.

4 i would probably leave anyone to die except my wife see above.


of course i am a military man so i have already been in situations where it was me or them and i'm sitting here typing soo...

[FVR]

Yeh.

I have to agree with WE.

#4 is tricky. I do not except the scenario of leaving one behind easily. If I can carry you, you're going.

If you have the mindset of failure and defeat, adios, you gonna die. If you try, I will try.

Example, if you're a real prick, you've not communicated, worked with, or helped the group, have a good day.

If you are like WE and many here, I will drop my gear and carry your *** as will others, if they don't and we live, we gonna have a talk.

[owl_girl]

1.)Maybe pepper spray
2.)So long as there orders are logical and they are calm and trust worthy I can put my personal feeling aside. But there are limits to how far I’d follow.
3.)I’d give my life, but I would not kill or torture anyone…which you guys already know
4.)It would probably depend on how likely they are to survive if I stay, how much adrenaline is going through me, and how much I know them. That would really hurt leaving someone in that situation but if it was unlikely for them to survive even if I stayed then I would have to leave.

[nell67]

#4 is easy for me,I live by the you go we go mentality if you are injured or dying I'm staying with you if I cant carry/drag you out with me I may get killed trying to save you,so be it,I said it before If you dont survive we dont survive,I dont care if I dont know you,God put me with you for a reason,it may just have been that you are not alone when you cross over to the other side,and it may also be that my job is to save you.

As for 1,2,&3 gun,yes,and yes I would kill someone to save my family/friends if need be.

[owl_girl]

#4 is easy for me,I live by the you go we go mentality if you are injured or dying I'm staying with you if I cant carry/drag you out with me I may get killed trying to save you,so be it,I said it before If you dont survive we dont survive,I dont care if I dont know you,God put me with you for a reason,it may just have been that you are not alone when you cross over to the other side,and it may also be that my job is to save you.

What if that person doesn’t want you to stay/die? If I’m dying and I know you would die if you stayed then I’d want you to go.

[wareagle69]

am i to understand that question #4 is the person critically injured and trying to save said person would result in your own demise.

if i was hurt to that extreme i would not let anyone else perish trying to save me. if trying to save one results in both deaths i do not see the point in that. i understand "leave no man behind" and all that but if there is a mission to accomplish then i will complete my objective no matter the cost. if out in the field on an adventure and my companion becomes critically injured, to me the quicker i can reach help the better, no sense killing both of us and having two grieving widows, maybe selfish and insensitive of me, but i can live with that.

[DEET]

am i to understand that question #4 is the person critically injured and trying to save said person would result in your own demise.

Yes the person is criticaly injured and is sure to die (let's say severe trauma and blood loss) if you stay with them you are both goners.

Thanks to everyone so far for your answers

Hey Sarge my handle is a funny story, when we were deployed one time my parents sent me a care package of about fifty cans of deet bug repellent and I was handing them out like candy to all the guys so they started calling me deet and the name just stuck.

I'd like to join your scenerio but I don't have much time right now to play on the computer, besides my regular job as an electrician I'm also teaching and writing a workbook at the same time. You can pencil me in and I'll get on-line at least once a day to stay up to date.

[FVR]

#4

Yes the person is criticaly injured and is sure to die (let's say severe trauma and blood loss) if you stay with them you are both goners

Only way I would stay; If it was one of my kids or if it was only my wife and I. If it was my wife, the kids, and myself, I would not jep. my wife or kids life for me, I would not jep. my kids life for my wife.

THIS QUESTION JUST TOTALLY SUCKS!

[Sarge47]

Yes the person is criticaly injured and is sure to die (let's say severe trauma and blood loss) if you stay with them you are both goners.

Thanks to everyone so far for your answers

Hey Sarge my handle is a funny story, when we were deployed one time my parents sent me a care package of about fifty cans of deet bug repellent and I was handing them out like candy to all the guys so they started calling me deet and the name just stuck.

I'd like to join your scenerio but I don't have much time right now to play on the computer, besides my regular job as an electrician I'm also teaching and writing a workbook at the same time. You can pencil me in and I'll get on-line at least once a day to stay up to date.

Okay, will do! You've suffered a nasty bump on the head and Owl-girl is applying cold compresses to your thick skull. Right now RiM, also an electrician, btw, is trying to cannabalize the radio, battery, & wiring out of the wrecked plane. Perhaps you could help out once your on your feet?

[Chris]

For #2 experience in what?

Experience in survival, or experience in leading groups in survival? Leadership experience is relatively unique and someone who is experienced in a task isn't always going to be the best equipped to lead others. It isn't always a direct correlation anyways.

[FVR]

Respect is earned not given.

Many a NCO, SNCO, and Officer has learned such lessons.

[Sarge47]

Uh, FVR, TRAX, Wareagle, Chris, I believe the question was directed to us "NON-MILITARY types". All's I can say guys is: "Blow in my ear & I'll follow you anywhere!" (It's a joke, okay?) This bit about leaving someone to die reminds me of a joke I heard many years ago and wish I could post here, but it's not a very clean one.

[Aquila]

1) Do you feel your bug out/in kit should contain anti personnell equipment (rifles, handguns, pepper spray, tank, bazooka )

2) If in a group would you be able to follow orders from someone with more experience even if you personally don't like them.

3) To what lengths would you go to keep you and/or your family safe and healthy?

4) Last question, if you had an injured companion would you leave them to die if were the only way you could survive?

1. Depends upon the laws and conditions in the local area. Pepper Spray or Bear Spray is a must, though.
2. Absolutely. Unless their "experience" had shown them to be a complete idiot. A winning personality doesn't necessarily help keep me alive.
3. Anything that didn't violate my ethical code. If you're asking, "Would I steal to feed my starving child?" the answer is no.
4. How injured? If he has zero chance of living, I'd probably go (unless it was my child). If he's just hurt, I'd take my chances staying with him.

[texasboy]

1. Yes
2. Depends
3. I would go very far.
4. Depends on the person and the injury.

[aussieboy]

1) Do you feel your bug out/in kit should contain anti personnell equipment (rifles, handguns, pepper spray, tank, bazooka ).

Sure why not? Pepper spray & bazooka's seem a little extreme, I guess some archery gear would come in handy for game.

2) If in a group would you be able to follow orders from someone with more experience even if you personally don't like them.

Yep, same as your work place; part of the exercise.

3) To what lengths would you go to keep you and/or your family safe and healthy?

If you were to rate this on a chart out of 10, definately 10.

4) Last question, if you had an injured companion would you leave them to die if were the only way you could survive?

Pretty frank, I would calculate the situation before saying bye like that, people have done this on Mt Everest.

[owl_girl]

people have done this on Mt Everest.

Mt Everest, yea that was one of the scenarios i was thinking of.

[FVR]

The problem with those on climbing Everest is that they are un-intentionally trying to survive. They all paid thousands of dollars to be taken up the mnt., for them to just walk by a dying person is just UNSAT!

Their selfish need for a gratification to climg a mnt. rather than save a life.

That is not even up for debate. Those that walk by a dying person to get to the top are scum. Hope they got their moneys worth.

Many a child journeys
this high to be different.

To get from here what their natures
couldn't get them below.


lt comes to nothing.

[owl_girl]

The problem with those on climbing Everest is that they are un-intentionally trying to survive. They all paid thousands of dollars to be taken up the mnt., for them to just walk by a dying person is just UNSAT!

Their selfish need for a gratification to climg a mnt. rather than save a life.

That is not even up for debate. Those that walk by a dying person to get to the top are scum. Hope they got their moneys worth.

Not up but down, I haven’t heard of anyone walking past a dying person on there way up and leaving him, but I have heard of people walking down and they themselves were near death and weren’t sure they were going to make it and almost didn’t have enough strength to walk much less carry the person and they knew that person would be dead by the time they got help and if they staid with him they would die too. I’m not saying its right or wrong I’m just saying I wouldn’t judge them for it.
If there traveling up on the other hand obviously they have enough strength to help him and if they don’t then I’d judge them for that.