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    Default Nell, I'm feeling a little gloomy today.....

    Consider:
    The banks caused sub-prime due to their greed.
    They want to be rewarded for risk but not take the losses required to compensate for the reward.
    Thus now that they are forced to eat the sub-prime pie they have made, they are tightening lending to each other and any but the most pristine credit-worthy. Here is a scenario that I think is likely:

    2010 January. Gas prices are at $8 per gallon due to Global peak in oil production and 20% inflation.
    2010 June: Exporting nations have all figured out that peak has been reached. They start to hoard. Though global production drops by only 1% exports drop by 20%. That 20% reduction in exports has to be met by a drop in demand. Americans are the world's biggest importer therefore this falls on them. This requires 20% of American drivers to be unable to afford gasoline. Given that Americans are now squeezing each other out of the market, bidding rapidly forces prices up from $8 a gallon to $12 a gallon and $15 a gallon in some places.
    2010 December. Another spike as another 20% are forced out of the market. Gas is now $20 a gallon.
    Gas guzzling pickups and SUVs are simply abandoned at the side of the road. The unemployment rate is 25%.
    The economy is in a tailspin. The most creditworthy of those who cannot afford gasoline try to apply for credit to lease the best gas mileage vehicles in a frantic attempt to continue driving. The banks refuse credit. The stories leak out into the press.
    2010 December. The President goes on CNN and gives a state of the union address. It is now impossible to deny that peak oil is real. The president details the theory and the implications. He says America is now on a forced diet to get us off of oil and that emergency measures will be put into place to keep America running. He outlines a plan to build extra rail spurs into every American city, to upgrade the rail routes to provide for increased traffic. He outlines a plan to assist local delivery companies to convert their fleets to electric. He outlines a plan to upgrade the national electric grid and put hundreds of electric charging points in every city and retrofit gas stations to battery hot swap stations. He outlines a plan to assist vehicle manufacturers to upgrade capacity to produce millions of plug-in hybrid electric vehicles and fully electric vehicles.
    The total of the bill presented to congress is $2 trillion dollars.
    It is unanimously approved in congress.
    A tired America celebrates.
    Within a month the bad news leaks out. The banks are refusing credit to the United States.
    Almost immediately riots break out and huge crowds march on wall street. Bankers are thrown from the tops of buildings in wall street.
    The national guard moves in to quell civil disorder.
    There is a bloodbath as troops fire on the civilians.
    The president declares martial law and the national guard moves to herd the crowds into FEMA camps.
    America and the world begins a long winter of discontent.


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    Everything will be fine; Life gets better every day. Bragg, is just trying to upset you, go back to sleep, Buy a new car on credit, as that is good for America, You do want to be a "GOOD" American don't you......? Buy, Buy, Buy, Buy.....never, never save.

    You deserve the the good life, go for it, The more you buy the happier you will be. If Bragg's post makes you depressed, the proper thing to do is buy, buy something nice, but useless. Don't worry, be Happy.......

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    What the masses of people playing money games fail to understand is how inflation affects the sense of social order.

    Massive inflation destroys social order because it messes with the basic system of economic reward and punishment. Because financial smarts win, and hard working people who trusted the system get screwed.

    And the system survives just like paper money - on faith. Once the honest masses lose faith, it is the end for that society's golden age.

    Just as happened in latin america. Kidnappings, kid gangs and despair, despite vast potential.

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    Neither of you will have to worry about 2010. Here's how I see it.

    2009: Hopeak walks into northern woods never to be seen again. In reality, he starts another civil order of grizzly bears and ptarmigans vowing never to eat bacon again.

    2009: Bragg's worry over the economy becomes too much for him and he ends his life by eating himself to death on smoked pork shoulders and pulled pork barbeque. His final words are, "Just one more bite....." He is found face down in a bowl of sauce.

    Sorry guys. We'll miss you.
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    Hey Bragg I want in on that BBQ when is it starting, I'll bring the beer. Sounds like a good way to go we can even put some gator on the barby.
    Any goverment big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have...T Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeak View Post
    Everything will be fine; Life gets better every day. Bragg, is just trying to upset you, go back to sleep, Buy a new car on credit, as that is good for America, You do want to be a "GOOD" American don't you......? Buy, Buy, Buy, Buy.....never, never save.

    You deserve the the good life, go for it, The more you buy the happier you will be. If Bragg's post makes you depressed, the proper thing to do is buy, buy something nice, but useless. Don't worry, be Happy.......
    I can never tell if Hopeak is being cynical, joking, facisious or sarcastic. Sure, buy, buy, buy... but buy American.

    Also, isn't it good to have the skills that the masses don't?
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    And exactly what would you buy that IS American?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    And exactly what would you buy that IS American?
    Domestic beer. Or one of the many brands brewed and bottled in the states and sold as an import.
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    Can't argue with that. Of course it's probably brewed by Chinese immigrants.
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    Here is a whole webpage of them... http://www.madeinusa.org/ or mostly made in America....



    No royalties taken... you asked.
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    I think I need to buy a horse
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    Not denying that there are major oil problems occuring, but there is a bright spot. With many of the new drilling technologies that are available oil that is here in the US that was never accessible before is now accessible. There are major deposits of oil shale in North Dakota and Montana as well as parts of Canada that make the oil deposits in the Middle East look like 5 gallon buckets. Some of the estimates of the deposits in North Dakota alone run in the range of greater than 600 billion barrels of oil! This is oil that we has never been financially feasable to reach until now. As long as oil prices stay high it will be worth the oil companies time and money to try to drill for the stuff.

    I'm not saying that this is the appropriate solution. I would much prefer to see us find a way to end our dependence on fossil fuels completely. However, if that isn't a realistic option (which I don't think it is) I can settle with ending our dependence on FOREIGN oil.

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    Tecmedic - The sad part is the petroleum companies HAVE to look at those types of solutions because the easy deposits have all been tapped.

    Ridge - You made my point with that. The fact the Honda Civic is made in Ohio is hardly a buy American product. And the Corvette is hardly 100% American made parts even if it is assembled in the U.S. There is no easy line anymore. Few products (there are some) are truly American made and we need to realized it's truly a global economy. If you don't buy Honda or Toyota, for example, we can be putting Americans out of work because they are assembled here in the U.S. But it is a good site. Thanks!
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    Hmmm, at one time I was thinking of starting a monetized website of made in America items. Become an internetpreneur.. There are still some things that are made in America but they are and have been diminishing since Reagan and even before then.. Global market place is where it is going these days... and ever so more quickly, just as with the government entities eventually and national individualism will have to take a backseat wholly at some point. For us do it ourselvers... here is a website I found .. from the hachet I keep nice and shiny most of the time. http://www.estwing.com/index.php and they are made in America.

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    The estwing "CAMPERS AXE" is one of my most favorite tools. I wish the hammer face was larger. But she's a sure winner, and my choice for best survival "TOOL".

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeak View Post
    The estwing "CAMPERS AXE" is one of my most favorite tools. I wish the hammer face was larger. But she's a sure winner, and my choice for best survival "TOOL".
    I have that and the hatchet. really easy to handle.. no pun intended. Well balanced and true.

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    You have no idea how many Estwing nail hammers and soft faced hammers I have. Great tools!!
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