best steel

[Gray Wolf]

Interesting Capt.Canuck, the sight I posted states that most knives won't go through that kind of abuse. Also Interesting is that Chris Reeves is known as a superior knife maker, and had NO problems with the tests, and even offered to send a replacement knife because that blade failed! That says a lot to me.

P.S. I don't find this amusing.

[Gray Wolf]

Fallkniven is a very well-respected knife maker that uses a laminate steel process that sandwiches VG10 carbon steel between 420J2 stainless steel.

If you looked at the site, you would have seen that they gave the FALLKNIVEN A1, one of they're top ratings.....

[Capt.Canuck]

If you looked at the site, you would have seen that they gave the FALLKNIVEN A1, one of they're top ratings.....

My post about Fallkniven was in response to the OP, who was asking "what's the best steel?", and had nothing to do with the knifetests site. I was mentioning to the OP that some manufacturers use more than one steel in their process to achieve what they feel is the optimal result.

As for Mike Stewart's comments, if you re-read my post above I stated that I found his perspective interesting and informative. Specifically that a lot of laypersons like you and I (i.e. non-knifemakers, non-experts) could watch those tests and draw incorrect conclusions about the quality of a knife. All the text in italics are his, not mine - so if you have a bone to pick I'll direct you to the knifeforums.com post and you are welcome to take it up with him.

[Gray Wolf]

This statement from KnifeTests Should be read to understand that one of the best knifemakers didn't have any problem with their testing. Chris posted this on Blade Forums to boot. So you can go there and take it up with Chris.... But it's all good, I just think that the testing site is testing all types of knife metals, heat treatments, etc, and would be helpful to our members and noobs. Also Capt, I am an amateur knife maker, always trying to learn, to get better.

http://www.knifetests.com/chrisreevetestresponse.html

[sgtdraino]

First--You are Confusing Strong with Tough.

The Stronger the knife--The FASTER it will break.

The Tougher the knife the longer it takes to break it.

That is Carved in Stone.

It does not require any test ..It is Fact.

Sounds to me like one of those "truisms" that sounds good but doesn't really mean much. Obviously everyone wants the best of both worlds, edge retention and toughness. But considering that ideally you would touch up the edge of a knife after each time you use it, toughness is more important than edge retention. A dull knife can be resharpened. A broken knife is trash. So long as the knife keeps an edge long enough to perform the task at hand, then it has succeeded at its purpose.

Any good maker--that understands this-- can make a thing--shaped like a knife that the hockey mask guy can't break.

It will look like a knife but it will not cut like a knife.

You can even make it cut--for a short time--just long enough for the duration of the silly cutting things he does in the beginning of the videos.

He performs the cutting at regular increments throughout his testing procedure, illustrating how good (or bad) the knife is at retaining its edge after punishment. Perhaps he should add something to the testing process that does a better job of testing this aspect? Certainly his process has room for improvement.

If you don't know what I have just posted above--you will think that "Cheaper Than Dirt" thing is actually a better knife than other knives that Broke before it did.

Reluctantly, that is my conclusion, yes.

By you thinking that they have any validity or value you are showing how misleading this sort of thing is.

His tests are pointless.

I must completely disagree. While his testing methods are certainly not perfect, they are some of the best and most informative ones I have ever seen. Practical exercises that approximate very rough use, similar to what I might imagine having to do in the field.

When he broke the Reeve knife--it was 100% predictable.

Once the blade was firmly stuck in the wood--the continued hitting of the spine was causing a shock wave in both direction out the Blade from the point of impact.

If he was NOT holding the knife--the knife would have stayed together.

His Own hand--on the handle--was dampening the shockwave and not allowing the blade to flex freely from the impact.

The knife Broke right in front of the Dampener (his hand) that was preventing the blade from flexing to the end of the knife.

So let me get this straight. Stewart is saying the test was not fair, because the man was holding onto the handle of the knife while he was chopping with it??? Uh, how else would someone be expected to use it? I actually own a CR Project I myself, and really wanted it to do well, but it simply did not. That is a big heavy knife, its purpose should be to do big heavy things (like chopping), not just dainty things. I can certainly envision myself using this knife to chop things, and of course I would be holding it with my hand.

Regardless--once he hit it with a metal hammmer--it was no longer a legitimate test.

Not really. I can envision a situation where I might have to hammer the knife into something for some reason (perhaps to use as a step), or a situation where the knife might accidentally be dropped onto a hard surface. Noss (the guy that does the tests) does say that the hammer test is very hard and most knives, even really tough ones, do not survive that stage. The point of the destruction test is to really find out what the true limits of these knives are. If most knives survived the entire process, then you haven't really learned the limits of those knives. I like to know those limits, if for no other reason that I don't try to do something with one of my knives that would end up breaking it.

[Ole WV Coot]

I have a couple, retired now a 40+yr old K-Bar USMC & a John Ek edge & 1/2 that I depended on for more than a camping trip. They could be destroyed, maybe by his tests but the main thing is they worked for me. I treated them like they were hard working tools and they never let me down. I just don't put much faith in that kind of test, if you want to call it a test.

[skunkkiller]

the best knife is high carbon steel keep it clean and dry and it will last for a life time .You can use the back of the to start fire all day long and kill and clean game make shelterand dig roots.

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