Group Survival 101.

**lumpy** · 09-01-2007, 09:00 PM

I think the alg. longhouse might be a good idea.I reconsidered the cordwood dwelling.It sounded good at the moment,but would require a very time consuming foundation.Especially way up here in the U.P..
I don't have much of a personal arsenal.A Marlin semi-auto .22(1000 rounds),a 12 guage autoloader(100 rounds),and a snub-nose revolver(50rounds).Can't deer hunt w/rifle in my State,so I never purchased one.

**DEET** · 09-01-2007, 09:35 PM

I think we need to designate everyone a position and job in case we need to "cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war". Those who don't have live fire experience need to be trained up so we don't have any problems. Owl girl I understand your aversion to having to kill someone so if you don't mind we will need a johnny on the spot so to speak, do you have any first aid training? VW if we can spare someone in the nest with me I could use a good spotter. Also if we do have to withdrawal to our secondary camp I will stay behind and slow the advance whoever my spotter is should go with the group so as to minimalize the risk of losing two men instead of one. Odds are we won't be facing an organized fighting force so I should be able to pick them off at will. I will meet up at the camp the day after our withdrawal at sunset. Also about the night vision problem, I recomend we set trip wires tied to a switch controling the headlights we scavenge from all the trucks and the bus. we'll set the lights to face out and tie them into one of the batteries from the vehicle, when the wire is tripped it will turn on the lights effectively blinding the enemy and illuminating them at the same time.

I'll start work right away on the long house, do we have anyone to spare to give me a hand with it?

**owl_girl** · 09-01-2007, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by DEET

Owl girl I understand your aversion to having to kill someone so if you don't mind we will need a johnny on the spot so to speak, do you have any first aid training?

Other then being shown the heimlich maneuver a couple times…no. But if anyone can teach me I’ll learn.

**FVR** · 09-01-2007, 11:13 PM

Deet,

Yeh, I'll help ya with the longhouse, late morning. I've found a way to bring my truck up to the NW side of camp, it'll be parked about 50 yards behind and SW of my foxhole position. If'n it does not rain, I feel rain, but then I've been known to be wrong.

Sarge must be a crazy man driving that bus.

As I said earlier, the truck is equiped with;

F-250 4x4, 3 tool boxes fully loaded, gen. air comp., 100 extra gal of gas.
One pole tent
One gal. green paint (it's a white truck)
and whatever else I can heave into the bed.

I fig. it's going to take me about 4 to 5 hours to make that 6 miles. I will be leaving camp 0530 and will be checking out with Owl Girl and Nell, explaining to them my route. That way I won't get shot, not too much worried about that anyway.

If it rains then I'll do it in a few days. Don't want to chance getting stuck, it may be a 4x4, but it's kind of heavy.

I do not expect to have problems as the route is fairly clear, may have to move a few downed trees but nothing major.

Plan on moving over to the NE side of camp to my second lookout point and starting a another foxhole, set up with stacked wood like my current area.

All in all, I'm beat. Wake me up for my watch.

**Sarge47** · 09-01-2007, 11:22 PM

Okay,before I hit the unpopular view here let me say that as someone who has worked with "Developmentally Disabled people" That I have learned 1st aid and CPR as well as rescue breathing. I also own a copy of the "Special Forces Medical Handbook" & have more than enough 1st aid equipment to go around.

That being said we need to take a step back and look at this scenario a bit. Pandemic? Now we have something that sounds like it's right out of the Stephen King novel; "The Stand". If we were in a real situation as VW described where are our families? Trax (I believe it was) said something about having a wife who was the best part of his life. What about kids? That changes a lot of stuff. Now we're starting to look like a "Home-Grown Militia" instead of the survival minded people we started out as. What about Nell's husband, the diabetic? What about Owl-Girl who's young and may be looking for a "significant other"? If she finds one here she might get pregnant, then what? What about a family member who'd rather be anywhere but here? We need to think "community", not warfare! If we were truly into a "pandemic sceneario" wouldn't we all have loaded up vehicles full of stuff? Not just me?

**owl_girl** · 09-01-2007, 11:33 PM

The bird flew dos not kill everyone it infects so I don’t think in would be quite this severe.

**DEET** · 09-01-2007, 11:44 PM

I think this is starting to get a little weird. To be completely honest I wouldn't be anywhere near this place because I live in WV. Besides I would be with my girlfreind and our two boys taking care of them. I don't think a pandemic would cause this kind of scenerio anyways. I don't know I was never any good at role playing stuff anyways. Sarges comments ahve really got me thinking and the way this scenerio is playing out would never happen for me because I would never leave my loved ones to fend for themselves. Darnit Sarge you ruined my Red Dawn movie remake

**owl_girl** · 09-02-2007, 12:09 AM

The purpose of this role play (as far as I know) is to see how we’d do in a group survival situation, obviously every group is deferent but if we were in a situation with similar people it looks like we’d do pretty good and be quite organized. Its difficult to say for sure what would happen in real life but I think we’d do ok. What do you guys think?

**Sarge47** · 09-02-2007, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by DEET

I think this is starting to get a little weird. To be completely honest I wouldn't be anywhere near this place because I live in WV. Besides I would be with my girlfreind and our two boys taking care of them. I don't think a pandemic would cause this kind of scenerio anyways. I don't know I was never any good at role playing stuff anyways. Sarges comments ahve really got me thinking and the way this scenerio is playing out would never happen for me because I would never leave my loved ones to fend for themselves. Darnit Sarge you ruined my Red Dawn movie remake

Sorry for ruining that for you, DEET, but when I was going through the inventory it hit me that we were carrying a whole lot of firepower and very little else. Besides that, one of the hunters bagged a game bird, what if it had the bird Flu? The more I thought about this the more I realized that the original intent here was applying survival skills, using survival kits/gear and coming through the best we could and getting rescued. Now we're in "Stephen King Armegedon!" Owl-Girl's remarks about "becoming a combat scenario as opposed to a survival one" also raised a red-flag. We're not "Les & Bear" anymore, just "Rambo".

**DEET** · 09-02-2007, 03:30 AM

Well let's face it this is all a fantasy world thing anyway because unless we were actually in the woods doing this we can't gleam anything from it. Grant it we can still pretend that it's TEOTWAWKI and still get valuable results but not over the internet. So let's make a decision do we play this out as a remake of Red Dawn or do we try to be realistic. In my opinion we can't be realistic because there is absolutely no realism to it. I have to agree with sarge and owl girl it has gotten a little to militaristic in a circle the wagons kind of way. We're talking about posting watches and fire lines and things of that sort (notice I said we I'm guilty too) I guess because it's more exciting to make a fantasy world full of good guys and bad guys instead of one where we are all simply coexisting and making it. The reason for this is probably because most of us are very well trained and skilled at surviving so it doesn't seem like such an exciting thing for a fantasy

**spiritman** · 09-02-2007, 05:20 AM

All that makes me wonder what you would've 'noted' about me if I had been around to put more into this thread.

Also wondering what someone who could analyze like you do would say about you.

Too bad you think it's run it's course, I like this conversation a lot

**nell67** · 09-02-2007, 06:57 AM

personally,I have enjoyed this thread very much,it does not matter to me what the outside scenerio is that "put us into this group survival mode" its what happens IN the group.

I can honestly say that I learned enough to know that if and when the unthinkable happens,I would feel much safer being in this situation with the people on this forum,of course I had already made this assumption earlier,but your "actions" during this scenerio confimed that.

You all were able to put aside past differences of opinion,and work together as a team,and as we all know there is no "I" in team,working together you had already found food,shelter set up a workable schedule for hunting and protecting your home base and the people on your team.

**Fog_Harbor** · 09-02-2007, 07:01 AM

Hide my head in shame as the thread goes sideways... Again.

**wareagle69** · 09-02-2007, 07:11 AM

well i commend you VW
you hit it pretty much on the head for me at least. war comes from the first three letters of my last name the eagle comes from death from above several reasons 6'4" paratrooper/sniper.

there has been allot of death and destruction in my life, yes you are correct i do prefer being alone did you notice i did not post much during this scenario i did not feel comfortable in the group although i enjoyed immensely everyones posts and where they saw themselves in this group and as you say VW i learned more about ppl also, i think in the real world that FVR and i would be friends (i have only two my wife and someone else that has proven himself to me in combat) thanks for the entertainment pp

on another note maybe some of you will have seen a little bit of what you might need to think about in a shtf scenario as for the flu killing off millions have you not been paying attention look at the 1918 flu 50 million you could multiply that by 10 this time 3 waves of the flu every two to three weeks this is what brought me to this sight, if it were about mere survival i learned that in the rangers and through my own experience and yes maybe out of kinship at a distance although i like most of you i can turn off the computer at will. you are a smart man VW, so even if you guys are offended by what he has said look closer..

always be prepared..

**wareagle69** · 09-02-2007, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by nell67

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You all were able to put aside past differences of opinion,and work together as a team,and as we all know there is no "I" in team,working together you had already found food,shelter set up a workable schedule for hunting and protecting your home base and the people on your team.

there is no I in team but there is ME

**Sarge47** · 09-02-2007, 08:08 AM

VW: Yeah, right, whatever. Hmm, nice couch dude.

Nell: The Teamwork thing worked well, true, but it would have turned ugly later when people got to know each other better.

Wareagle: Yes you felt good about the whole thing because you were around other military types and used what you knew best. We had a "best-case" scenario as wwe we wern't burdened with injured, sick, spouses and children, jealousy, as well as the person who hated where they were and made it hard on everybody else. Another thought, everybody got to bring all their favorite equipment into the scenario. When I brought the "bus" in it was more of a "reality check" as there would have been no way that I could have got it in there. I was waiting for someone to call me on it but no one did.

Foggy: Don't fret dude, I felt safe with you watching my back.

RiM: I think we should have joined you at the lake, there's safety in numbers and with the additional firepower we would have stood a better chance. You gave us a good scenario though, dude, thanks!

**ryaninmichigan** · 09-02-2007, 08:51 AM

This was all make believe nothing more. I chose to exclude women and children only to ease writing here is my synapses

LUMPY: How did you know I based this on the geography of the U.P? I guess because I live in Michigan. In reality the cabin and firepower is already there 2 hour ride down a one lane logging road. Three wood bridges that would be cut as I passed.

Sarge: I was interested in starting a community also. Not a military operation. That is why you notice my camp never had watches, and we got more done because of it.

Trax: nice hunting with you. We have a bond in hunting that we both understand each other.

WE: I have nothing for you. You stopped in got ruffled be me and left.

FVR: you added some good things to keep it going.

VW: you did not join me because you know with 4 of us we would eventually take power. And your description of me, I will have to think about that one, wait no I wont. You are wrong.

In the end 269 posts is not bad. So here we go let’s kill it.

Me and my clan have just engaged the national guard at the end of the logging road. One of us is dead. We have stripped guardsmen of a M60 and we are hightailing it to camp. And we will be coming your way. There are about 150 of them. We have the M60 and 2 AR15s with 60 round clips. Everything else is at the lake.

**wareagle69** · 09-02-2007, 09:07 AM

it's posts like that is the reason why you are an idiot you think that you are the most dangerous man in the woods well i call bullsh** i have read enough of your posts to realize that you are a wanna be and unrealistic and generally full of it, you can post what ever you like but you have already revealed yourself you limited yourself by building a permanent structure and a fence around it my god welcome to four funerals what an idiot.

**FVR** · 09-02-2007, 09:41 AM

Sarge, the truck is filled with gas, you have an extra 60 gal. in the back. Load up Owl Girl and Nell, the shotgun is back in with the rounds. There is 5 gal. of water and all granola bars. Good Luck.

VW, WE, Lumpy, Deet, Trax, SM, Here is your time to leave.

WE, take your wife and go, I will stay.

150 heavily armed soldiers against....................

As the Lakota use to say "it's a good day to die."

Cough, cough, damnit!

**ryaninmichigan** · 09-02-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by wareagle69

it's posts like that is the reason why you are an idiot you think that you are the most dangerous man in the woods well i call bullsh** i have read enough of your posts to realize that you are a wanna be and unrealistic and generally full of it, you can post what ever you like but you have already revealed yourself you limited yourself by building a permanent structure and a fence around it my god welcome to four funerals what an idiot.

edit can't stand it. Give me one example of bull****.